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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 24, 2016 - 02:21pm PT
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Anyone who believes that employees no longer need union protection from the capricious actions of management either doesn't earn a wage for a living, or is brain washed.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jan 24, 2016 - 03:02pm PT
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Harry UNIONS worked many MOONS ago..
Capricious management are held accountable with LAWS.
Insurance companies need to be regulated they help out UNION monopolies..
I cant wait to be retired like YOU..
I probably wont make out rich like the fighter pilot that you are but make enough to live with my means.
Id rather say i did what i could vs being equally poor.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 24, 2016 - 04:56pm PT
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Pyro,Harry is right,unions are needed now as much as any time before.
Reality.
Harry is not rich,least in the monetary sense.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jan 24, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
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Hillary is getting the big union endorsements. They smell a winner.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jan 24, 2016 - 06:24pm PT
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I'll post up for FRITZ!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jan 24, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
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Pyro.. You better make sure Fritz isn't convening with the Inushuks when you post for him...Strange things , like hair loss , can happen if you displease the gods...
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 24, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
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Be scared,very scared.
Your lives will change drastically,just like when Obama won.
Pussies ,only want to help themselves,certainly not others.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 24, 2016 - 07:01pm PT
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Pyro! Thanks for the repost of the Bar Chart you can't understand.
To help you out for the third time: Here's quotes from the article that the Bar chart/Vox link goes to:
If you add these taxes to the existing US tax code — including the income tax, Social Security payroll taxes, Medicare payroll taxes, and additional Medicare taxes added by Obamacare — you get the rates in the chart above. Most taxpayers would see a single-digit increase in their marginal tax rate. People with taxable income below $250,000 would see an 8.8 percentage point increase.
For the very richest Americans, with more than $10 million in taxable income, Sanders's proposal would produce a 77 percent marginal rate. That's not unprecedented — under Dwight Eisenhower, the top income tax rate was 91 percent — but it's higher than the top rate at any point since 1964.
Now, marginal rates aren't everything. Most people wouldn't see an actual tax increase of 8.8 percent, even if their marginal rate goes up that much. Effective tax rates — the amount you're actually paying as a percentage of income — also depend on deductions and credits.
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/22/10814798/bernie-sanders-tax-rates
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jan 24, 2016 - 07:11pm PT
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Cosmic...I thought it was Rhonda Rhousey...Hillary lied again..!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 25, 2016 - 07:43am PT
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Capricious management are held accountable with LAWS.
Now that is funny.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 25, 2016 - 08:04am PT
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edit:
bad for BUSINESS..
Pyro, that's the point. Things that are good for employees tend to be bad for big business (where unions form).
Capricious management are held accountable with LAWS.
Oh right, those big business are going to get sued by single employees.
Simply not going to happen.
BTW, I like that tax structure under Bernie...
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Norton
Social climber
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Jan 25, 2016 - 08:08am PT
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With the conservative cause that animates the Republican Party, we don't appeal to young people, we don't appeal to millennials, we don't appeal to young women, we don't appeal to minorities.
We appeal to only cranky old white guys like me who end up voting for Donald Trump.
gee, all that might have something to do with why the Republicans have lost
5 of the last 5 Presidential popular vote margins....think maybe?
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 25, 2016 - 08:28am PT
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Unions seem unnecessary for job roles where employees are difficult to find, e.g. because they are highly skilled and the supply/demand balance favors the employee.
But for most job roles, where a single person can be fired with no consequence to business continuity, and where a single person is unlikely to quit if they don't like work circumstances or pay because it would be hard for them to find a better job- then yes, unions are very relevant for these roles.
I have seen the evils of too much union power, and the evils of too much management power. It's hard to find a balance across all industries and job types with different ease for employees to find new jobs. But yes, unions need to play a role.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 25, 2016 - 08:33am PT
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Now there's a level-headed post.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 25, 2016 - 10:43am PT
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I have seen the evils of too much union power, and the evils of too much management power.
Pretty much a case of when humans form hierarchies of any kind there is abuse.
My first experience with unions was in Chicago looking for a job - went to a company for one and they said join the union and you can have a job; went to the union and they said get a job and you can join the union. Never even tried again after that and just went and found non-union jobs. Still, they serve a valid purpose.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jan 25, 2016 - 11:15am PT
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then yes, unions are very relevant for these roles.
Nut UNIONS are for THOSE that don't wanna WORK!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 25, 2016 - 11:06pm PT
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Well, I can tell you that's bullsh#t. My buddy Marco (who doesn't post up here but is a climber) works as an electrician outside in the rain every day running massive amounts of subterranean fiber optic cables out at the PDX airport. Thousands of feet per pull and that's after they pump out the manhole, setup and brace themselves for blowbacks from broken cable pulls. Not a job for the faint of heart and it's full-on burly all day long.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Jan 26, 2016 - 06:11am PT
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I just wanted to say, the nyc unions did a terrific job in dealing with this blizzard. The Left Wing Mayor, was getting all the credit on TV this morning, but the fact is, nyc kinda runs on autopilot.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jan 26, 2016 - 06:27am PT
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pyro posted Nut UNIONS are for THOSE that don't wanna WORK for PEANUTS while their BOSSES vacation in FRANCE!
FTFY
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