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dirtbag
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Oct 14, 2015 - 09:54am PT
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That has a nice ring to it, Chief.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 14, 2015 - 09:55am PT
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Bernie could not have passed many of the bills that he has had it not been for Webb co-authoring them with him in order to cooperatively sell them to the other side of the aisle and convince them that it's a good thing then get it passed.
The Chief, you say this as if you were there (which I know you were not).
Here's some facts, as if those things matter to you:
 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/jim_webb
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders
It was great to see Bernie give a nod to Webb on the bills which the two worked on, with Bernie saying Webb authored one, and he another. But compare the Recent Bills section on the two pages I posted above, and you'll see that the quote above from The Chief is another one of his attempts to pass gas.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Oct 14, 2015 - 09:58am PT
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The clear winner of the debate last night: The Democrats.
More subsistence in five minutes last night than in the 10 hours the mouth breathers flapped their gums.
The Big Loser (though I suppose he can't really lose much more): Huck
Webb seems like a solid guy. Hillary came off rather well. The Bern was as expected and did well. O'malley looked like he could play the presidential part but I don't see how he closes any ground. Chafee - stick a fork in him. doubt he'll be around for the next one.
Best line of the night was from #feelthebern: "Congress does not regulate Wall Street - Wall Street regulates Congress".
Best one liner: "No"
and kudos to Mr. Sanders for the email comment. He helped himself out, bit of a gift to Hillary, and pretty much sealed the deal for the Dems all the way around with that on.
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Norton
Social climber
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:01am PT
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Lincoln Chafee - pretty much blew it with weird answers to some questions
O'Malley remains unknown
Jim Webb did well and maybe gains a couple of percent in support
Hillary and Bernie both held and increased support
and Anderson Cooper was really excellent as moderator
so when is the next Repub clown show?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:08am PT
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Nice analysis nature. And I agree, there was more content from Chafee, who got the least talking time (a bit over 9 minutes) than all the GOP'ers combined in their debates, let alone the others who had major contributions that addressed the real issues facing our nation.
What did we get from the lengthy GOP debates? We need a wall on our southern boarder, built by the Mexicans, and Planned Parenthood is causing us budget overruns.
I can't imagine who is going to win the GOP nomination, but I can't wait to see how they would handle a real debate with hardball questions like Andersen posed last night at the Dem debate.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:09am PT
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Anderson has always been very solid.
Though he could have let the other guys speak a little more. Poor Jim Webb - had to raise his hand like in 6th grade. I like when he's like "i'll take extra time cuz they did".
Edit: President Clinton had a great observation the other night on The Late Show: "Trumps half-life is very short".
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Norton
Social climber
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:13am PT
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I can't imagine who is going to win the GOP nomination
I don't know either, K-man
but the real money betting markets still say Jeb Bush, reasoning that the Repub base
will at some time come to its senses and realize Trump simply has no chance
but that analysis assumes a lot, and that is that Republican voters are that smart
I don't think they are, they value extremism and purity over having a winning candidate
the RNC is rightfully scared it will be Trump, and they ought to be scared about that
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:15am PT
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Sorry KMAN, but during the period that Jim Webb was in the Senate (110-112th Congress) he had more "sole" sponsored Bills pass and signed into law than did Bernie.
Jim Webb... 12 Sponsored bills passed
Bernie... 10 Sponsored bills passed
(NOT CO-SPONSORED)
Edit: Bernie has a shetload of bills over his tenure in both the House and the Senate that were "referred to committee" and never moved passed that. Would not be a bit surprised if he holds the record on that stat.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:19am PT
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And if it's not Trump they should still be scared as well. He can easily state the the RNC is not supporting him (per the agreement they signed) and do his own thing. I wonder what's more important to him - his ego or the dems not winning. I suspect the former.
I could be wrong on this observation but a stark difference between the debates:
For the dems of all the people on that stage only one of them is bought for and purchased by big money: Billary. For the repubs of all the people on that stage there's only one that has not and cannot be bought by big money. The clownstick
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Norton
Social climber
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:30am PT
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nature, I am not doubting your Hillary owned by big money comment as I don't know
but help me out if you would....
how exactly is Hillary Clinton "owned" by big money, who is she going to do special favors for as President and how so within the powers of the Presidency?
seriously I have heard this contention as a vague belief in the media but have yet
to read the specifics behind this
thanks in advance
and lets assume this can be directly pinned down as unusual money influence,
like say big wall street banks donating to her or something, and those same banks
also donating to Republican candidates also, just to cover all their bases - that
would seem business as usual and not supportive of her being "owned"
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:36am PT
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Fair question Norton. Can't give you what you are looking for, however. Perhaps 'owned' is the wrong word but it served my purpose. Hillary isn't owned in the same way the Kock brothers etc. own the repub field. But in my observation she sure seems like she's paying favors to Wall Street in general. So no, there's no one entity. I like Hillary so don't get me wrong. That she is against bring back a modern Glass–Steagall is concerning to me. She has a "different" plan. Doesn't pass the sniff test for me.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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I think his rhetoric would suggest he does.
I don't see that. When pinned down he responds with "I have a plan".
How can he debate, for instance, anthropogenic climate change when he's a denier?
How can he debate foreign affairs in particular terrorism when he doesn't even know the names of the players and who they play for?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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Props to Webb and his son for serving in combat. And props to him for being supportive of Sanders conscientious objector status.
Not easy for a Marine to stand loud and proud and state he's a Democrat. Maybe you can't understand unless you know the way the majority of my fellow servicemen are.
Props to O'Malley for calling Trump a CARNIVAL BARKER!!
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Oct 14, 2015 - 10:55am PT
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Here's Capt. Webb's top four....
He was awarded the Navy Cross for heroism in Vietnam, the second highest decoration in the Navy and Marine Corps. Webb also was awarded the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, and two Purple Hearts
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 14, 2015 - 11:06am PT
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Sorry KMAN [sic], but during the period that Jim Webb was in the Senate (110-112th Congress) he had more "sole" sponsored Bills pass and signed into law than did Bernie.
I won't argue with that.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 14, 2015 - 11:16am PT
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Dem debate viewers vs. GOP debate viewers; looks like the dems drew 15 million last night versus the 23 Million for the last CNN GOP debate.
While both of these numbers are fairly pathetic when you compare them to the pool of eligible voters, it does indicate something, but what I cannot be sure.
I suspect that many dems tuned into the GOP debates, heck best comedy (although dark) on TV. On the other hand, Republicans couldn't care less what the Dems are up to. Ever try to talk to a FOX viewer about watching MSNBC, or another progressive news source? Pretty funny to watch what they say.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Oct 14, 2015 - 11:32am PT
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Just watched part of the "debate" (more of a group circle jerk with aren't we great and the repubs terrible because we're talking about the issues--
did anyone ask Hillary about her serial lying and whether she has any plans to stop? That's a question I would have liked to hear her answer.
The only part I saw that was interesting was Chafee's answer about his vote to repeal banking regulation laws. Interesting that giving what was undoubtedly a truthful answer (he j st got in the Senate and didn't know much about it, and cast his vote the same way over 90 other senators did) is seen as "weird" and a kiss of death. I suppose that says something to any politician who may be consider telling the truth instead of telling whatever lies seem most palatable.\
Not that I'd vote for Chafee for the proverbial dog catcher, but I give him some credit for honesty.
Stupid ass Hillary comment that I saw:
The Repubs want to use big government when it suits their interests, such as (drumroll) defunding Planned Parenthood.
Voting for the federal government NOT to spend money on something (that the federal government doesn't even any constitutional role in anyway) is not using big government. It's the opposite.
But the libtards apparently eat up Hillary's high-school debate delivery and cheer wildly at her BS.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Oct 14, 2015 - 11:38am PT
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Norton said
how exactly is Hillary Clinton "owned" by big money, who is she going to do special favors for as President and how so within the powers of the Presidency?
Monsanto is one answer. Also one of the answers as to who owns Obama. One of the answers.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Oct 14, 2015 - 11:47am PT
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Also interestingly, two of Obama’s biggest supporters, Bill Gates and George Soros, have held thousands of shares of Monsanto stock starting in about 2010. It's a complicated world out there
edit: Hillary example; Hired Monsanto Lobbyist to run her campaign.
edit #2; The revolving door policy in Washington is a large part of the problem. Judges with a conflict of interest are supposed to step down, whereas people with very obvious conflict of interests are making decisions that affect the businesses/ industry they are going to go back to after their stint in public service.
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