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madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Oct 12, 2015 - 07:44pm PT
Reduce the military spending. Take 33 percent of that savings and spend it on paying down the national debt. Take 33 percent and put it towards helping the middle class, perhaps with tax cuts, and take the rest and spend it on infrastructure.

Debates can go on endlessly such that nothing ever gets done. So, I'll just say that I'm on board with the ideas that underlie your proposals!

And, spending on infrastructure is the gift that keeps on giving. It's a job-creator, while providing the actual benefits of the infrastructure itself. Win-win.

Spending money on an "arms race" against an "enemy" that only hates us because of our decades of interventions and manipulations in a region that would MUCH prefer to just go back to hating each other has been the moral outrage of our time.

We need to get OUT of the arms business (for moral reasons) and have military spending reflect its actual purpose: National DEFENSE. As you note, that frees up a LOT of money to serve interests at home, which, as you also said, indeed would help to turn around a growing sense of hopelessness.

For starting out seemingly in such disagreement, we seem to have the same basic desires.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 12, 2015 - 07:48pm PT
one of the places I worked brought in 13-14 cents for every dollar brought in by the store, in profit. Of this profit, 7 cents automatically went to the top guy.

And how much did the government get?

Right, the other 7 cents.

Not including sales tax of course which would be right off the top of sales.

John M

climber
Oct 12, 2015 - 07:49pm PT
most people want the same things, but we get hung up on words and ego, and button pushing topics.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 12, 2015 - 09:37pm PT
Debates can go on endlessly such that nothing ever gets done. So, I'll just say that I'm on board with the ideas that underlie your proposals!

I'm on board.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 12, 2015 - 09:39pm PT
And how much did the government get?

Right, the other 7 cents.

Not including sales tax of course which would be right off the top of sales.


<sigh>

Sales tax is paid by the buyer.


Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Oct 13, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
Am I ready for Bernie debating tonight?

Absofukenlootly!!

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Bernie and spaghetti

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000382766
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 13, 2015 - 04:50pm PT
Bump for Bernie!
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Oct 13, 2015 - 05:09pm PT
It would be beyond wonderful to get another Abe Lincoln, but what are the odds?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 13, 2015 - 05:17pm PT
Hopefully ,after tonight ,pretty good.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 13, 2015 - 05:40pm PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Oct 13, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Oct 13, 2015 - 09:52pm PT
You GO!!! Jim Webb...


[Click to View YouTube Video]


I actually like and respect Webb a lot and have for a long time. And would vote for him in a heartbeat. He is one of the few that has consistently busted his ass for us Combat Vets for the past 30 or so years cus he is one. He has written and passed more good legislation in the fours he was a Senator than any other of the individuals on that stage. Including "Bernie". Why... because instead of fighting against them Repugs and calling them all pieces of shet, he actually works with them and most on that side of the Isle actually respected him for doing so. What a concept.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 13, 2015 - 09:56pm PT
MisterE

Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
Oct 13, 2015 - 10:37pm PT
^^I dunno - from a reactive perspective Bernie and Trump kinda both have bad hair and are older white guys...Trump has better hair....kinda?

If the comb-over is your gig.

It's a toss-up, hair-wise.

Just sayin'
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Oct 13, 2015 - 10:49pm PT
And Bernie looks like the retired mad professor that is about to have a massive MI. Ultimately power puking his heart out of his chest cavity into the crowd and then croaking right there in front of everybody.


Wonderful.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 14, 2015 - 06:38am PT
I like Jim Webb myself,The Chief.

Look at who authored some of those bills with him.

Could really care less about how a candidate looks.[Click to View YouTube Video]


Note how Hillary defends the very system that will take us all down.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Oct 14, 2015 - 06:53am PT
I like Jim Webb myself,The Chief.

WOOOOOOOOOOOW!


We agree on something Wilbeer. Awesome.

Bernie could not have passed many of the bills that he has had it not been for Webb co-authoring them with him in order to cooperatively sell them to the other side of the aisle and convince them that it's a good thing then get it passed.

Webb is also far more realistic in his approach to dealing with the issues than either of the two above. Bernie is too far fetched and his agenda will literally bankrupt this nation because he will NEVER get the "rich" to pay for all his social programs. Including paying for illegal immigrants medical and education. Sorry Wilbeer, that is too, out there.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Oct 14, 2015 - 09:49am PT
I agree. It was nice to see some true inter-party partisanship among the democrats. That gave me the cozy feeling that if any of them get in there, the others will help them accomplish any mutual agenda, which clearly includes military people.

Thus that is why I would vote for the likes of Jim Webb in a heartbeat. BUT, unfortunately, MODERATE Dems such as him do not make it to that level as the DEM "Progressive" candidates do as the (Soros etc) super pacs DO NOT agree with such middle of the road democratic philosophy.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 14, 2015 - 09:52am PT
Webb won't win but hopefully there would be room for him in the cabinet.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Oct 14, 2015 - 09:53am PT
YUP! Secretary of Veteran Affairs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And that would be ALL I cared about.
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