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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
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sad but true...
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:23pm PT
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"Today's"? That story is nine months old.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:26pm PT
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It was in their feed,again,today.
None the less,these are the "things" they are going to prey on.
Where are Bernie's "things".
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:32pm PT
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wilbeer: LMAO at that Bernie "Socialism" scare *.gif
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
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He's MG too,Bernie's plans being torn apart by Clinton aides!!!!!!!
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:36pm PT
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Progressive Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman writing about unicornomics, in today's blog:
I’ve tweeted this out, but want to point out that this is a pretty big deal: Four former Democratic chairs of the Council of Economic Advisers have put out a letter warning that Bernie Sanders’s economic program contains a very worrisome amount of voodoo:
"We are concerned to see the Sanders campaign citing extreme claims by Gerald Friedman about the effect of Senator Sanders’s economic plan—claims that cannot be supported by the economic evidence. Friedman asserts that your plan will have huge beneficial impacts on growth rates, income and employment that exceed even the most grandiose predictions by Republicans about the impact of their tax cut proposals.
As much as we wish it were so, no credible economic research supports economic impacts of these magnitudes. Making such promises runs against our party’s best traditions of evidence-based policy making and undermines our reputation as the party of responsible arithmetic. These claims undermine the credibility of the progressive economic agenda and make it that much more difficult to challenge the unrealistic claims made by Republican candidates."
In Sanders’s case, I don’t think it’s ideology as much as being not ready for prime time — and also of not being willing to face up to the reality that the kind of drastic changes he’s proposing, no matter how desirable, would produce a lot of losers as well as winners.
And if your response to these concerns is that they’re all corrupt, all looking for jobs with Hillary, you are very much part of the problem.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:43pm PT
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It was in their feed,again,today.
None the less,these are the "things" they are going to prey on.
Where are Bernie's "things".
Lol, so recycling an old story that went nowhere constitutes a new "scandal"? Try again. Maybe they can find an old Vince foster story to bump.
And what are Bernie's things, you ask?
Bernie is a commie.
Bernie is a commie.
Bernie is a commie.
Bernie is a commie.
Bernie is a commie.
Bernie is a commie.
See how that will play out?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:46pm PT
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Its funny that Bernie wants to provide free healthcare and college to all (yeah someone's gotta pay for that,) and some think he's the second coming of Stalin, but Trump says Mexicans are rapists and Muslims should be banned and they are ok with that.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:58pm PT
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I'm disappointed in Krugman...Clintons must have gotten to him...offered him a position in H's administration.
I find it incredible that Bernie wants to help working class people by raising minimum wage, providing universal health care and affordable education and everyone flips out calling him a commie, invoking re-educatiuon camps, gulags,etc
Whereas when the Republican want to bomb the sh*t out of ISIS or make the middle east desert sand glow but no one asks what are the unintended consequences? or how are they going to pay for it?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:59pm PT
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No Bernie is Not saying HealthCare will be free
It will just be a lot cheaper with a single payer system
Who pays for Free College?
Who paid for it before Reagan?
Bernie says a Stock Market transaction fee will pay for the Free College,
sounds good to me.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 17, 2016 - 02:02pm PT
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But ,But,Bernie is a commie!
Strong argument from a lawyer.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 02:11pm PT
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No willbeer, it's a terrible argument.
And it's not one I would make. It's unfair and a mischaracterization, which I have stated here many times.
But if he wins the nomination, it will be all you ever hear. Over and over again, Bernie is a commie, Bernie is a commie, Bernie is a commie...
It would work.
Edit: nominating Clinton is certainly a dice roll, and she has a lot of baggage to overcome to win. But if a Hillary nomination is a dice roll, a Bernie nomination is a boarding pass on the titanic, even if trump is the nominee.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 17, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
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So the Republicans and brain dead won't vote for Bernie no matter what anyone calls him
nor will they vote for Hillary
Some smart independents and Republicans would vote for Bernie anyway because they know he isn't a commie, and that's what the Republicans do, say stupid things as a smear tactic
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 02:23pm PT
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Craig, the country has always had a low opinion of socialists. It's leftover from the Cold War, especially among middle age and older folks who tend to vote in larger numbers than young folks. Socialism has never been particularly liked in this country.
Assuming trump is the nominee, which now seems likely, Independents would likely sit it out or be fired up to oppose a lefty who wants to raise taxes.
Edit: and a lot of progressive economists are increasingly pointing out that much of his economic math is rather fuzzy. He needs to address that.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
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dirtbag and norton, I hope you're right. Sure is a bit scary though.
We can only imagine how extra big Trump's ego would be - would get - were he to actually win... and what this super size could mean for America and the world.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Feb 17, 2016 - 03:03pm PT
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So the Republicans and brain dead won't vote for Bernie no matter what anyone calls him
As a brain dead Republican...... I would vote for Bernie over Cruz or Rubio or JEB! ...... mostly because Bernie is a HONEST man, who believes what he says. (at least he seems to me to believe it, otherwise he has been working up to this run for 45 years as a fraud)
I can respect that and that is what we need in the oval office, some who is not owned by our ruling class. (Dem/Reps)
So all you democrats who really want Sanders should stand up for him and not be forced to go with the Hillery. She is a crook of the worst kind.
smell the coffee
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Feb 17, 2016 - 03:24pm PT
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wow, for realz? More will vote for a Muslim than a Socialist?
hahaha
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Feb 17, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
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Craig, the country has always had a low opinion of socialists.
Did they have a poor opinion of socialists when they were electing the "sewer" socialists into city councils, mayor's offices and congress?
No, they were electing them because they were fed up with corrupt machine politics.
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