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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 03:35pm PT
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Locally, sure, quite a few socialists get elected, proclaimed or not. Sanders even won a statewide senate seat.
But nationally? That table posted above shows some hard numbers to overcome. If it is to be believed literally, 41% of dems, 51% of independents, and the vast majority of republicans would not vote for him just based on his political identification. That's a fair initial hurdle to overcome, and that doesn't account for the effects of the smear machine when it finally cranks up. When off the bat, 41% of your own party won't support you, you've got some problems.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 17, 2016 - 03:36pm PT
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Dirtbag ,I know your point,but a commie would probably beat someone who is" crooked" in todays progressive climate.
I agree with Craig,completely..
+Guyman.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
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Guyman didn't say he'd support him over trump.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Feb 17, 2016 - 04:28pm PT
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couchmaster: You posted:
I don't even think you know what that means. Because I didn't watch your video or pay attention to what you say? PHULEASEE! As far as me not learning "what kind of a nation so many of your forefathers gave their lives to create for future generations", I would bet heavily that I know more than you about that. Much much more. So what does that say about yourself then?
In response, - dazzle me, Einstein.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Feb 17, 2016 - 04:40pm PT
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Guyman didn't say he'd support him over trump.
good observation....
Bernie, has a shot at it.... I do hope he runs Hillery out of town (or to Jail)
Dirt... I think this is a whittling down process. I will not say who I'm behind right now. We have a whole lot more campaigning to do.
This is a fun election, the best sense 68..... hopefully there will be riots at the convention when the people in power try to override the will of the people.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 17, 2016 - 04:46pm PT
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Craig, the country has always had a low opinion of socialists.
FDR identified as a "democratic socialist," same as Bernie.
Now, tell me again how the country has always had a low opinion of socialists, when they had to enact presidential term limits after FDR passed.
Geesh, some people will say anything.
In other news, there's a graphic upstream that shows Bernie's programs and their associated costs.
There's one cost in particular that I've been thinking about--the cost of his health-care initiative. They peg that cost at $75B, with a Big B.
Yikes, that is a lot of moo-la.
So, if we do not enact a way for our country to help with these health-care costs, who is going to pay for that $75B? All that moo-la.
Bernie says he's going to tax speculation. Hmm...
Have the banks pay back some of the loot they took from us. Hmm...
How many people do you know who are afraid of getting sick, or having to go to the doctor, because of the cost?
You know one sector of the US economy that is starting to take off?
Medical tourism.
The cost of getting dental work done in Thailand is so much cheaper than here in the US, that folks are saving money by taking vacations to get their work done. Yep, and I hear those dentists really know their stuff. Same thing with lots of other types of procedures too.
Think about that the next time you need an MRI after you twist your ankle disco dancing in the Boom Boom Room.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Feb 17, 2016 - 04:56pm PT
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The "Bernie Sandwiches" thing has been cracking me up all day, and I started coming up with variations during demo today:
Bernie "Belt" Sander
Bernie Sandals
Bernie Sandstone
Bernie Sanskrit...
others?
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 05:09pm PT
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FDR identified as a "democratic socialist," same as Bernie.
Over seventy years ago, during the Great Depression and before the red scare and Cold War.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Feb 17, 2016 - 05:23pm PT
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Feb 17, 2016 - 05:25pm PT
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Joe McCarthy and Allen Dulles tried to purge the US government of all its pinkos after WWII. In fact Crankloon McCarthy even suspected Eisenhower was a commie. Eventually his delusions destroyed him.
Bernie is no commie. He's not even a socialist.
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
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Only $75 billion for Bernie's healthcare proposal?
That's ALL?
A pittance in a 3 Trillion dollar annual spending budget.
Maybe 3 months cost of invading Iraq.
75 billion is nothing, gentlemen
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Feb 17, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
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^^There's one cost in particular that I've been thinking about--the cost of his health-care initiative. They peg that cost at $75B, with a Big B.
So far they've spent $500 billion on the F-35 which is not allowed to fly in the dark or when it's raining. Total lifetime costs estimate is $1.5 trillion.
Just the helmet cost $400,000.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 17, 2016 - 06:16pm PT
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Over seventy years ago, during the Great Depression and before the red scare and Cold War.
You forgot ,when college was paid for ,we were actively rebuilding infrastructure and knocking down big banks and robber barons.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Feb 17, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
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Over seventy years ago, during the Great Depression and before the red scare and Cold War.
The repression of the left goes further back than that.
Lynchings of union organizers:
They shot Joe Hill:
Slaughter of strikers and their families:
The striking coal miners' tent colony in Ludlow lies in ruins, above, after an attack by strikebreakers hired by John D. Rockefeller Jr.'s Colorado Fuel & Iron Co. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
The Palmer Raids:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Raids
The imprisonment of Eugene Debs:
The refusal to seat Victor Berger after winning election to congress:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_L._Berger
State of New York refused to seat five socialists who had won election to the legislature.
And that just scratches the surface.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 17, 2016 - 09:17pm PT
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Laughing out loud, Warbler!
$700B to keep the banks "healthy."
One tenth of that to keep the nation's people healthy?
We can't afford such socialism.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Feb 17, 2016 - 10:32pm PT
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Thanks Kevin!
Trying here...
I thought Bernie Slanders might be a bit much?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 08:48am PT
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I want a president who has wilder eyebrows than me and who has just discovered what a comb is. That guy is Bernie; who is basically like FDR. FDR was elected for 4 terms even though he was in a wheelchair for much of his tenor.....
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Feb 18, 2016 - 08:51am PT
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Check out what Neel Kashkari is saying about ending the era of banks that are too big to fail. Note that Neel Kashkari is a Republican, former Goldman Sachs employee who oversaw TARP during the Bush administration and ran against Jerry Brown for governor of Cali in 2014. Interesting that his message today sounds a lot like Bernie's.
https://www.minneapolisfed.org/news-and-events/presidents-speeches/lessons-from-the-crisis-ending-too-big-to-fail
I believe we must begin this work now and give serious consideration to a range of options, including the following:
Breaking up large banks into smaller, less connected, less important entities.
Turning large banks into public utilities by forcing them to hold so much capital that they virtually can’t fail (with regulation akin to that of a nuclear power plant).
Taxing leverage throughout the financial system to reduce systemic risks wherever they lie.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 18, 2016 - 08:52am PT
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Just to be clear: despite all my criticisms of Bernie, if he wins I will volunteer for his campaign without hesitation. Supporting a President Sanders campaign against any of the dipshits running on the other side is a no brainier.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 09:07am PT
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$75 Billion for Bernie's health care program? If you believe that then
you'll want to buy a time share at my secret surf spot in Nebraska. As
I noted earlier The Economist says Bernie's largesse comes up
$3 TRILLION short of reality.
And if you're worried about Pentagon largesse y'all, including Obama, have
completely ignored their new $80 BILLION BOONDOGGLE known as the new
'strategic bomber'. Where's the outrage over this nonsense from all you
Bernie Ballcuppers? Is 'strategic bomber' too big of an oxymoron for you?
The Pentagon could buy 100,000 cruise missiles with far greater strategic
potential and zero crew risk for the price of those stoopid bombers.
Or maybe save the whole amount act rationally for a change.
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