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Psilocyborg
climber
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Jun 10, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
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No one can help but look and stare at a trainwreck. Even though the trainwreck thrives off of attention.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 10, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
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Far too many people have been persecuted and killed "in the name" of God (of whatever flavor).
Better check the recent record. "In the name of" philosophy, ideology, and economics many more have been killed in recent centuries. Power corrupts.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 10, 2015 - 05:50pm PT
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Please note to anyone but a theist (or anyone else wearing/ sporting/ harboring a theistic mindset) "in the cause of no-God" is a completely meaningless utterance.
Apparently not. You, for one, are a zealot about that cause like few Christians are about their cause. LOL
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jun 10, 2015 - 06:00pm PT
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What does religion have to do with any of this?
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Fogarty
climber
BITD
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 10, 2015 - 06:01pm PT
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I thought I would lighten things up around here.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Apr 29, 2017 - 07:59am PT
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Susan
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Apr 29, 2017 - 11:21am PT
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Gender dysphoria is a tragic and sometimes fatal condition. But anatomical "solutions" and hormones generally do not resolve the malady. Many who go that route get no relief and have regrets. There are often serious, even life threatening complications. In particular, lacking menstruations and normal vaginal mucosa, the new body cavity is a major hygiene issue. Normal vaginal flora do not protect the cavity the way Lactobacillus normally do in a natural vagina. This leaves the patient extremely vulnerable to Staph or Strep infections. Furthermore, lacking ovaries and having lost testicles, these patients require a lifetime of synthetic hormone therapy which is clumsy at best and fatal at worst. When the endocrine system runs amok, cancer is common.
The sad part is that there was nothing wrong with these people to begin with. Its shameful that they were not accepted the way they were born. Some may feel awful about being homosexual and seek to change their identity to transcend the social stigma of being gay. Someday, when gays are socially accepted by everyone, the sex change procedure will become obsolete. In Bruce Jenners case, I believe that steroid abuse may have led to his endocrine system running amok. This happens to alot of juicers. Steroid addiction can lead to severe depression, intermittent explosive hyperactive disorder, cancer, reproductive harm, birth defects, arthritis, immune deficiency, testicular feminization, weight gain, thyroid disfunction.... Chopping off his manhood will not solve his problems.
I helped produce the first surgical educational films of the procedure with my Dad at UCDavis OBGYN. I helped edit eighteen hours of surgery down to a two hour video with commentary. It was horrible. Nothing short of mutilation. There are however many cases in which surgical interdiction is appropriate when reproductive function is compromised. Physicians and parents sometimes have to choose which sex the child will be anatomically. There are more cases of borderline dimorphism than most folks know. The decision to surgically intervene is usually guided by what chromasomal identity the newborn has and by which anatomy could enable them to have "normal" adult social lives and reproductive function. Perhaps what was once considered "normal" should be reevaluated as the social stigma of transgender evolves and the next social generation unfolds.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Apr 29, 2017 - 09:49pm PT
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really? you looked up a two year old thread to post an image i can guarantee has already made the rounds of stormfront and the evangelical facebook circles?
and then it got followed up with the post above?
wow... on both counts...
you both regularly have a need to broadcast your speculations born of denotative ignorance?
regardless of the projections and protestations emanating from those clinging to the comfort of traditional hallucinations, the rigidity of this particular at birth caste system will continue to inevitably blur and fade and become more representative of the reality we live in... a process by which the violence that this specific mechanized western society derived binary conceptual framework has attempted to impose on our bodies and spirits becomes but memories... and just as all of the other caste systems, we have collectively tried on for a time or two, have inevitably faded even with resistance from those who gain something from the systems as a whole... [though all that is often gained is the personal comfort of perceived solidity at the cost of acknowledging another's potential existence.]
and people will continue to experiment with and explore these specific body modification just as they non-specifically have for thousands of years... regardless of your ignorant projections and speculations regarding it just being "gay people" who are trying to deal with a society that doesn't accept them.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Apr 30, 2017 - 07:15am PT
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Nahoot^^^^^^oh my, you REALLY need to do something a lot more exciting on a Saturday night.
Did you get stood up or something?
Susan
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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^^^^
nah susan, don't worry... it only took a few minutes. hence the run ons... hahaha.
and taking a few minutes to throw out a different viewpoint regarding this subject is always well worth my time. while it's mostly us set in our ways oldish codgers who post, you never know who reads this board and sometimes the 0.5-2 or so out of every 100 people who struggle with these matters could use a break from the casual and not so casual ignorance that is frequently slung their way.
their row is already tough enough to hoe.
but, thanks for the concern though. was babysitting the younger gen so had time to burn.
and thanks for making it clear that you think this subject, that i'm guessing you have no first or direct second hand experience with, is just a matter for jokes. in the end i'm not expecting to change your opinions so, assuming your mind is made up, i'll let you be now. all the best.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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and thanks for making it clear that you think this subject, that i'm guessing you have no first or direct second hand experience with, is just a matter for jokes. in the end i'm not expecting to change your opinions so, assuming your mind is made up, i'll let you be now. all the best.
See, that's the problem with assumptions made about people, basically, strangers, on their posts.
You've chosen to ascribe all sorts of things to me, basically a stranger to you, about my personal experiences, viewpoints, and who makes up my family. You'd likely be rather surprised about who in my family shares things with me that YOU might find bordering on insensitive given their life and lifestyle.
No, you won't change my viewpoint, I'm comfortable operating in a comfort zone that has been defined by those closest to me that faced many years of hostility and finger wagging. That zone may not be the one for you or those close to you, but that's the crux of tolerance and accepting there is a spectrum of appropriate behavior.
Most folks know when a "hard line" has been crossed. Some folks will find the beagle puppy meme that hard line, many others will not. It will always be a challenge to understand follks are not ignorant because they don't see something as someone else might.
You are right, we don't each other, or the experiences we have had. So, for me, it's best to assume that most people operate from a standpoint of positive intentions...including yourself and your attempts to have me see another view point. My experiences and family share a different scope. However, and I don't mean this as snark, it's important to speak out when you feel injustice.
Susan
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chill
climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
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the violence that this specific mechanized western society derived binary conceptual framework has attempted to impose on our bodies and spirits
Wow, there is a lot going on in that sentence.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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...Balls and All!
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Susan [and chainsaw]: first to Susan, thanks for the last response. you're right that i made a bunch of assumptions regarding you both. being currently in a different state of mind and re-reading, it's obvious there is no necessary malice in what either of you posted. so my response was a giant over-reaction with regards to the mountain of snark i piled on with.
if i had a do over i would probably just ask questions and leave it at that. so, apologies for the projection on my part! seriously: all the best to you both...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Does Bruce , Caitlin , still pole vault..? And does she wear a skirt..? Sorry.. I've lost sleep trying to figure this out...
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