Bruce Jenner Gone

ps. glad you fixed that zBrown I was about to toss it in your backyard.

Yep. Take a look out back...

.....wonder what her peer group thinks?

I hope s(he) is happier...


Other than that IMO it's not really that big of a deal ...

Not sure if i call that being brave...?

But the lot of them are all extreme attention whores.

I just hope some 18 year old feeling out of place in his male body doesn't take Caitlin's overly publicised example to heart and decide to take a razor to his dong

. . . . the lot of them are all extreme attention whores.

Trans people are the most marginalized people in our country bar NONE.

The suicide rate is 1 in 7.

The former Arkansas governor made the comments while discussing religious liberty in February at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention in Nashville, Tennessee.

“For those who do not think that we are under threat, simply recognize the fact that we are now, in city after city, watching ordinances say that your seven-year-old daughter, if she goes into the restroom, cannot be offended and you can’t be offended if she’s greeted there by a 42-year-old man who feels more like a woman than he does a man,” Huckabee said.
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Huckabee said. “I’m not against anybody. I’d just like for somebody to bring their brain to work some day and not leave it on the bedstand when they show up to govern.”

When people say she is brave they are referring to the fact that she's been going through this transition since the late 80's and decided to go public with it to allow herself to live her life normally without being harassed by paparazzi chasing her everywhere she goes.

It isn't surprising me that the majority of the crass and terrible comments are coming from posters who are openly religious

If you really in your heart of hearts believe that this is all one big marketing ploy I don't know what to tell you. There are hundreds of celebrities in the limelight, from Iggy Azalea to Floyd Mayweather to Schwarzanegger and every other 'name' that pops up on tabloids.

Why does Jenner get this hate, why do we question her more than others? Why is this persons intentions being judged as if we know?

Edward, you're making a fool of yourself.

I cry for our fallen country. I weep for our dark world. I look forward to Yeshua's return.

Some of you are under the illusion that if someone calls themselves a Christian…

"Native teens experience the highest rate of suicide of any population group in the United States".

http://www.aspeninstitute.org/sites/default/files/content/images/Fast%20Facts.pdf

"There must be some kind of way out of here, "
Said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Business men – they drink my wine
Plowmen dig my earth
None of them along the line
Know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited, "
The thief – he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke
But you and I we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now
The hour's getting late."

All along the watchtower
Princess kept the view
While all the women came
And went bare-foot servants too
Outside in the cold distance
A wild cat did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the wind began to howl, hey.
Jimi
(sorry Jimi, i meant Bob: )

It is not that uncommon to have opposite visible physical sexual characteristics from what a chromosone chart would suggest. Let alone the not so easily visible characteristics.

What keeps me skeptical is that we just don't see it in the rest of the animal kingdom.

What keeps me skeptical is that we just don't see it in the rest of the animal kingdom

What keeps me skeptical is that we just don't see it in the rest of the animal kingdom.

Research indicates that various forms of this are found throughout the animal kingdom.[1][2] As of 1999, about 500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, have been documented engaging in same-sex behaviors.[3][4] According to the organizers of the 2006 Against Nature? exhibit, it has been observed in 1,500 species.[5]

This appears to me to be one giant publicity stunt.

Well you seem to be THE most judgemental person on this thread.

YOU seem to have EVERYONE figured out?

Maybe you should check your own hate at the door

Seems that would be the picture Ms Jenner has portrayed. Seems like if Mr Jenner was truly a female at heart back in the 80's he would have had a closer more nurturing relationship with his children. By their testimonies he just up and left!

Seems like if Bruce was any kind of real person he could have used his femalinaty along with has masculinity to help raise his children in a positive loving manner.

I hope Bruce Jenner will auction off his amputated penis on e-bay and give the proceeds to the trans-sexuals who cannot possibly afford millions for "feminizing" facial plastic surgery

We are a prudish country...

Scrubbing Bubbles: .” . . . feminizing" facial plastic surgery . . . .

No we don't...

That's when they completely take over and convince us of anything.

That's when they completely take over and convince us of anything.

I think klimmer is absolutely right about his god.

Your god is a reflection of you, mine a reflection of me.

substantive claims are hard to come by. You gotta have faith....bro.

I mistook you for making a substantive claim

Your god is a reflection of you, mine a reflection of me.

It is based on exactly that.

Your faith is based upon evidence, not faith in the absence of evidence.

It's a noun

But your faith in god is precisely in the absence of evidence.

Which is the truest meaning of the word faith.

The scientific method doesn't allow for faith......ever.

You have an idea. You discover experimental proof that your idea is valid.

Now you have a theory.

Based upon the domain of other proven knowledge at the time.

whatever "faith" you may have had in your theory is irrelevant even if it has been proven.

The scientific method doesn't allow for faith......ever.
You have an idea. You discover experimental proof that your idea is valid. Now you have a theory. Based upon the domain of other proven knowledge at the time.

Can faith be defined as a bridging function for our subjective beliefs?

Ricky: It's a noun. You don't get to redefine that.

"In the Law, transvestism / transvestitism was specifically forbidden: “A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this” (Deuteronomy 22:5)."

Policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention. This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken—it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.

The transgendered suffer a disorder of “assumption” like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature—namely one’s maleness or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight. . . .

When children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at both Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings. Some 25% did have persisting feelings; what differentiates those individuals remains to be discerned.

We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into “sex-reassignment surgery”—launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as “satisfied” by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a “satisfied” but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs.

It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription. . . .

At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. “Sex change” is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.

G-d made them male. And he made them female. Two separate and different sexes. Many verses throughout the Bible concerning that.

Oh Maddy, don't be silly. I didn't say your god was right nor wrong, nor klimmer's.

Thou shalt not kill, is something I think people and god agree on?

But one thing for sure is that thinking even simple physical sexual identity is a purely binary situation is waaay off the mark.

However any god who makes a person a certain way then condemns them for it is pretty messed up. Just saying.

If you eat too much sugar, you get fat.

Who cares more about someone's life and ultimate salvation? Who cares more about Bruce Jenner's life and salvation?

Who cares more? Who loves his neighbor more?

The person who lets people be and accepts them for who they are.

G-d made them male. And he made them female. Two separate and different sexes. Many verses throughout the Bible concerning that.

Who will have blood on their hands in the end? Not me. I told him to stop and turn around.

Maybe you'll get it. Or maybe not ...

He just passed a massive road sign that said warning road closed, cliff up ahead (G-d's Torah -- instruction for life!)

He just ignored it.