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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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Has anyone trademarked Bruce Jender?
Why, yes I believe I have.
Bruce Jender™
Call me:
Hey
Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to?
You give me somethin' I can hold on to
I know you think I'm like the others before
Who saw your name and number on the wall
Jenny, I got your number
I need to make you mine
Jenny, don't change your number
867-5309
867-5309
867-5309
867-5309
Jenny, Jenny, you're the girl for me
Oh, you don't know me, but you make me so happy
I tried to call you before, but I lost my nerve
I tried my imagination, but I was disturbed
Jenny, I got your number
I need to make you mine
Jenny, don't change your number
867-5309
867-5309
867-5309
867-5309
I got it, (I got it), I got it
I got your number on the wall
I got it, (I got it), I got it
For a good time, for a good time call
Jenny, don't change your number
I need to make you mine
Jenny, I call your number
867-5309
867-5309
867-5309
867-5309
Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to?
867-5309
For the price of a dime I can always turn to you
867-5309
867-5309
867-5309
867-5309
867-5309
5309
867-5309 (5309)
867-5309 (5309)
867-5309
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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does shhe have to give back the Olympic medals? Personally I suspect she is in it for the money... the timing's right given our cultural mood. A world recognized name once again and cover girl fame.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Fogarty wrote: "A very brave individual, makes some of the boldest things we have done look weak."
yep. not really anything else to say. [but i will anyway... :) ]
to think that this person found a way to leave an even larger legacy than being a celebrated olympic gold medalist in one of the most highly respected individual events...
but for trans and gender creative kids everywhere she just became one of their jackie robinsons...
viva la revolucion!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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How many folks are not in it for the money? Honey?
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short list
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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ps. glad you fixed that zBrown I was about to toss it in your backyard.
I am, though not 92, getting older and it takes me a while sometimes. You know where I live?
What's my IP?
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Whatever it takes to be comfortable in your own skin. Good for Caitlin.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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It can't be easy being Bruce. But I wonder if the doctors agreed to "change" him only if he did it on the down-low, if things would be different? And where does self-acceptance fit in here, as opposed to opting for surgically alterations.
No easy answers to this one I reckon. And the choices must be doubly hard.
JL
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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Yep. Take a look out back...
Ha! You may be receiving an email from the mosquito abatement authority in the not too distant future.
If you start itching, go see your primary care guy quick.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"viva la revolucion!"
Man, this revolution is gonna make dating really interesting.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Some relevant thoughts and musings:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.
(if you don't believe in God, just swap in the word "self")
In these days of fancy medical procedures, the line is shifted from acceptance to courage, with wisdom depending on one's own values.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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Rain on the parade?, but what about the dead woman?
The adult stepchildren of a woman killed in February in a four-car crash that also included Bruce Jenner have filed a civil lawsuit against the former Olympian and reality TV star.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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.....wonder what her peer group thinks? My first thought exactly!
She's going to put a lot of Christian Conservative's knickers in a twist. (and not just Christians)
But also, hopefully, many of them will open their minds, even a small amount.
I know two young people right now going through gender dysphoria. A brother and sister. Fortunately they have very enlightened parents who worked hard to accept their kids as they are.
How will the kids work out their own identities and future lives? Who knows but at least Caitlyn is making it easier for them.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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^Are you sayin' you're lookin' for a speech-writer? :)
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Trans people are the most marginalized people in our country bar NONE.
The suicide rate is 1 in 7.
A friend in my high school killed herself because she didn't see a way out, there is no 'end goal' when you realize that you do not identify or feel connected to your sex and everyone is telling you that you are a freak or a mistake.
Those kids that are weighing their options, that read comments like those found here by guys going for a cheap (and lazy) laugh, that deal with kids at school beating the sh#t out of them and telling them their thoughts and life don't matter.... Bruce (now Caitlyn) is an example that life can go on. That it will be OK, that there is an escape from shame and torment. Maybe not all the way, as apparently even progressive rock climbers see her transition as a 'marketing ploy' or that she is 'a idiot' (thanks Studly for that insight).
You don't know her reasons or what she feels inside. Let people live their lives and attempt, REALLY ATTEMPT some empathy and compassion. Whether you like it or not this is the civil rights struggle of the current generation, you can uphold ancient ideology and nonsense or be on the right side of history. Regardless, trans people WILL continue to live terrible lives for many decades as we are just beginning this process, so if this creeps you out that much sleep better at night knowing a good portion of these people don't live to 20 years old.
Greg
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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I hope s(he) is happier...
Other than that IMO it's not really that big of a deal ...
This is a proper response. Thanks Locker for belying your generations bigotry.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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GDavis, thank you for your above post...well said.
I hope Caitlyn finds some inner peace, love and acceptance ....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Not sure if i call that being brave...? The physical body has changed... does that mean the emotional being has...?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Not sure if i call that being brave...?
When people say she is brave they are referring to the fact that she's been going through this transition since the late 80's and decided to go public with it to allow herself to live her life normally without being harassed by paparazzi chasing her everywhere she goes. Whether she wanted the attention or not, she's a member of a gnarly public family (one that it appears the majority of the country despise, lol) so yeah, it would be 'easier' to stay covered up and live a sad, sheltered life.
As far as the accident goes, yeah that was f*#ked up. Keep in mind Bill Murray beat his wife, Michael Jackson was a pedophile, Mike Tyson (probably) raped someone, Floyd Mayweather beats women... you can choose to bring up something not connected to the issue being discussed if you feel it is a valid point or adds to the discussion - but be consistent with it yeah?
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