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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Oct 16, 2015 - 09:34pm PT
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OP subject line = truth. That's all there is to say about that.
Any justification otherwise is trying to redefine what it means to lead a route clean in light of the definition of 'fixed' gear that has been used in topographic maps for generations. The topos don't say "fixed draw" they say "x" or 'bolt' or "FIXED PIN"...
In any event, it doesn't make the pinkpoint any less awesome for someone breaking through a grade.
What is critical for the communal definition is that the magazines report high end sends as redpoints when it's clearly on prehung draws.
I'll clip them, don't get me wrong, but let's call a shovel a shovel.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2017 - 12:56pm PT
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Yup.. It's still a pinkpoint.. I wonder when Dawn wall will get it's first redpoint?
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:02pm PT
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:07pm PT
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Yup.. It's still a pinkpoint.. I wonder when Dawn wall will get it's first redpoint?
As soon as somebody who climbs hard agrees with you.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 15, 2017 - 05:13pm PT
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No shame in a pink point. Until someone red points, it is the standard.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Feb 15, 2017 - 06:08pm PT
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Pink pink pink pink.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2017 - 06:34pm PT
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No shame in a pink point. Until someone red points, it is the standard.
Exactly.
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