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guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Apr 15, 2016 - 09:23am PT
Donini, with a statement like that, are you back to smokin it again?
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 15, 2016 - 09:28am PT
I have this image in my head...

Bernie: "Storm the gates! Follow me, its a revolution!"
Kids: "We're with ya, Bernie!"
Bernie: "Seize the day, the time is now....hey, where ya all going?"
Kids: "Spring Break, Bern, we all have flights to Puerto Vallarta".
Bernie: "But there's work to be done, gonna take years of hard work."
Kids: "That's why we elected you, Bern. That was the $27."
Bernie: "I can't do it alone, put down those boogie boards!"
Kids: "Sorry, Bern, can you have those banks broken up by the next semester? And about that free tuition..."
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Apr 15, 2016 - 09:44am PT
Exactly like the tea Party

Oh, I'm too pure to let my vote be tainted by someone that is not a purist like me

Ideologues

They can't cope with the dirty reality of American Politics.



tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Apr 15, 2016 - 11:38am PT
No question that Hillary would make a better president than any of the Republican candidates currently running or even any of the possible candidates being discussed who might emerge during a contested convention. Especially regarding women's reproductive rights and keeping religion out of politics compared to Repubs. I think it would be great for a woman to become president. But these 2 photos show what's wrong with Hillary compared to Bernie, IMO...



What is it that you guys like about Hillary? Incremental gradualism?
Norton

Social climber
Apr 15, 2016 - 11:49am PT
looking closely, I see Hillary's face is pictured about a foot closer to the male in the second photograph, so surely that has some secret importance known only to the select few

not about the arc on the moon again....
dirtbag

climber
Apr 15, 2016 - 11:49am PT
What is it that you guys like about Hillary? Incremental gradualism?


Math that mostly adds up.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Apr 15, 2016 - 03:24pm PT
"arc on the moon"??

I won't bother with Blankfein but here's the problem with embracing Henry Kissinger...

Following is a sample of his most egregious acts while in office.

1. In White house tapes released in 2010, Kissinger is heard telling Nixon in 1973 that helping Soviet Jews emigrate, and escape oppression, was “not an objective of American foreign policy.” He also said “And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern.” Jewish leaders and organizations expressed outrage over this. NYT

2. Kissinger helped wage an illegal war in Cambodia between 1969 and 1973. The war wrecked the country through a huge bombing campaign that killed some 100,000 civilians, and set the stage for the rise of the genocidal Khmer Rouge. Kissinger hid the bombing from the public and U.S Congress by working with military officers to falsify records. (NYT, Politico)

3. Kissinger authorized the secret bombing of Laos during the Vietnam War. There, U.S. forces conducted over 580,000 bombing missions over nine years. Laos’ accounting of its casualties cites more than 50,000 people killed and injured by accidents and unexploded ordinance, more than 20,000 of them after the end of the war (Washington Post).

4. In South Asia, Kissinger supported Pakistan’s military dictatorship and the bloody crackdown in 1971 on what is today Bangladesh. Conservative estimates say that roughly 200,000 were killed; the official Bangladeshi estimate is three million. Ten million Bengali refugees fled to India, where untold numbers died in refugee camps. Kissinger knowingly violated U.S. law in allowing secret arms transfers to Pakistan during the India-Pakistan war, despite warnings from White House staff and State Department and Pentagon lawyers. (Politico, New Yorker)

5. According to GWU’s National Security Archive, the Indonesian government’s invasion of Portuguese East Timor in December 1975 occurred with Kissinger’s blessing, and behind the backs of Congress. Some 200,000 Timorese died during the 25-year occupation. Kissinger was aware that Suharto planned to invade East Timor, but the invasion was legally problematic because of Indonesia’s use of U.S. military equipment that Congress had approved only for self-defense.

6. With billions of corporate investment at stake, Kissinger helped plan a CIA-led coup in Chile in 1973 that led to the assassination of democratically elected president Salvador Allende. Allende had pledged to lead his country “down the democratic road to socialism.” He was replaced by the notorious dictator, Augusto Pinochet, whose government killed at least 3,197 people and tortured about 29,000. Kissinger’s top deputy for Latin America advised him make human rights central to U.S.-Chilean relations; instead Kissinger told Pinochet that his regime was a victim of leftist propaganda. “In the United States, as you know, we are sympathetic with what you are trying to do here…“You did a great service to the West in overthrowing Allende.” (LINK)

7. In the late 1960s, Kissinger was involved in the secret wiretapping of National Security Council staff. He urged Nixon to go after Daniel Ellsberg for having released the Pentagon Papers, which resulted in government charges against The New York Times for violations against the Espionage Act (the charges did not hold). NYT

8. In the mid-70s, Kissinger began to urge apartheid South Africa, with which he was closely aligned, to secretly intervene in Angola’s civil war to prevent (Marxist) MPLA from taking power (LINK). The U.S. was directly involved in the civil war. In addition to training Angolan combat units, U.S. personnel carried out reconnaissance and supply missions, and the CIA spent over a million dollars on its mercenary program. The war took more than 300,000 lives. (LINK)

9. Kissinger and Nixon’s orientation toward southern African states with white majority leadership was outlined in a secret NSC policy study called the “Tar Baby” report. Anthony Sampson noted in Black and Gold that “The Nixon-Kissinger policy effectively condoned Pretoria’s apartheid system, and left it to corporations and banks to try to liberalize it.” (LINK) According to Grandin, such policies cost millions of lives. (The Nation)

10. The Shah of Iran was installed into power as a result of a joint British-U.S. coup. Kissinger engaged a policy of unconditional support for the Shah. He overrode State Department and Pentagon objections to allow Iran broad access to military equipment, and authorized the CIA training of the Shah’s torturous secret police. He exacerbated tensions with Tehran after the Revolution (resulting in the hostage crisis) by urging Carter to grant the Shah asylum in the United States. (Salon)

11. In 1975, Kissinger thought he had worked out a balance of power between Iran and Iraq, and thus withdrew support for the Kurds. Iraq attacked the Kurds, killing thousands, and implemented a program of ethnic cleansing, relocating Kurdish survivors and moving Arabs into their homes. (Salon)

12. In 1980, Saddam Hussein invaded Iran — a war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Reagan supported Iraq, but also illegally trafficked weapons to Iran (Iran-Contra scandal). Raymond Tanter of the NSC reported that at a foreign-policy briefing for nominee Reagan in 1980, Kissinger suggested “the continuation of fighting between Iran and Iraq was in the American interest.” The U.S., he said, “should capitalize on continuing hostilities.” (Salon)

13. Newly released documents have Kissinger mapping out secret contingency plans to launch airstrikes against Havana and “smash Cuba.” Mr. Kissinger worried that the U.S. would look weak if it did not respond. He had previously planned an underground effort to improve relations, but after Castro sent troops to Angola to help the newly independent nation fend off attacks from South Africa and right-wing guerrillas, Kissinger started to plan a U.S. airstrike. (NYT)

http://www.workinglife.org/2016/02/11/boom-kissinger-no-friend-of-mine-foreign-policy-judgement-not-to-get-advice-from-a-war-criminal/
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Apr 15, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
What she going do, flip them the bird?

It's call diplomacy, you act like you enjoy meeting them and you hold your f-ing tongue.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Apr 15, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
It's call diplomacy, you act like you enjoy meeting them and you hold your f-ing tongue.
...especially if you're a member of the power elite, an establishment candidate who plans to perpetuate many of the destructive policies of the past.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Apr 15, 2016 - 04:16pm PT
And,Double Down on them!
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Apr 15, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
Dirt and others nail it.

I like many of Bernie's ideas. But they've got little chance of being implemented. And his supporters do sometimes sound like Ted Cruz...they'd rather reach for the sky and fail instead of actually getting anything done.

Unfortunately, we live in a democracy with a legislature and supreme court that have significant power. Not a benevolent dictatorship. Bernie can't unilaterally do all the things he'd like. Obama found that out.

Hillary has her issues. But I think she's more likely actually get a few things done, instead of just preaching to a minority of true believers.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 15, 2016 - 04:42pm PT
I wonder what color curtains Hillary is going to install when she's elected to the oligarchy?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Apr 15, 2016 - 05:08pm PT
Yep,curtains,first thing on her list.......

Their home in the Hamptons.

They are the epitome of the 1 percent.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 15, 2016 - 05:11pm PT
Bernie bro's.....sheesh.

Norton

Social climber
Apr 15, 2016 - 05:15pm PT
I wonder what color curtains Hillary is going to install when she's elected to the oligarchy?

pretty sure blue will be much more prominent than red

edit: I don't understand how Bill Clinton's past sex problem reflects negatively on Hilary Clinton, most people understand they are not one and the same people,

but what is equally troubling is that some people will vote for Trump in November knowing about his many marriages and his cheating on his wives in addition to his long and constant history of lies, even being given the award for Liar of Year by Politifact

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/dec/21/2015-lie-year-donald-trump-campaign-misstatements/

why do some people ignore his cheating and his lies and vote for him anyway? are they stoooopid?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Apr 15, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
That is funny crank,but ,I will be forced to vote for her ,if she gets the nod.

A bit different in the real world.

I will have to vote for a member of the elite.Period.


Edit; Tell me something ,Does it empower you and yours to call someone names,or generalize?

Norton

Social climber
Apr 15, 2016 - 05:17pm PT
wilbeer, why not just sit this election out instead of voting for someone you don't care for?
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 15, 2016 - 05:17pm PT
You'll be pleasantly surprised, wilbeer. Promise.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Apr 15, 2016 - 05:29pm PT
I could care less about how I will feel.

There are a lot of desperate folks that want to feel better about themselves.

They are the ones I want to see "feel better about this presidency".

You know taking actual strides towards reducing disparity,not just lip service.

I know of it first hand,I do a bunch of work for Habitat For Humanity.

I, like many others are going to hold her to that.[hopefully].



Norton ,We cannot let the Republican win ,that is why.
Norton

Social climber
Apr 15, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
How exactly does you expect Hillary to get any kind of legislation passes with
the House firmly in Reoublican hands, or Brrnie?

Dinner party guests will be the only thing coming out of the White House
the next 8 years just as in the last six of Obama's Presidency.
The Repubs took the House in 2010 and will keep it for many more years.
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