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mouse from merced

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The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2019 - 11:01am PT
Jim Clipper

Jan 13, 2019 - 11:06am PT
Because flames burn...? You don't need a 1000 dollar phone either.

Come along catch a Heffalump,
Sit with me on a muddy clump,
We'll sing a song of days gone by.

Run along now don't be glum,
Get you gone now have some fun,
Don't be long for the end is nigh.

Don't let moments pass along and waste before your eyes,
March with me and the borogoves,
Come with me and the slithy toves,
And never ask us why.

Come come come come come along now,
Run away from the hum-drum,
We'll go to a place that is safe from
greed, anger and boredom.

We'll dance and sing till sundown,
and feast with abandon,
We'll sleep when the morning comes,
and we'll rise by the sound of the birdsongs.

We'll be here when the world slows down,
and the sunbeams fade away,
Keeping time by a pendulum as the fabric starts to fray.

There's no such thing as time to kill,
nor time to throw away,
So once for the bright sky,
Twice for the pig sty,
Thrice for another day.

Come come come come come along now,
Run away from the hum-drum,
We'll go to a place that is safe from,
Greed anger and boredom.

We'll dance and sing till sundown,
And feast with abandon,
We'll sleep when the morning comes,
And we'll rise by the sound of the birdsongs.

Come with me catch a rare type specimen,
Cuddle up with a hesitant skeleton,
We'll break our fast with friends.

Once we're fed we shall disappear rapidly,
Many moons to the west of here and happily,
Our journey never ends.

Shut your ears when sirens sing,
Tie armbands to your feet,
Listen up and you won't go wrong again,
Float along on a verse-less song and then,
Get to where the two ends meet.

Come come come come come along now,
Run away from the hum-drum,
We'll go to a place that is safe from,
greed anger and boredom.

We'll dance and sing till sundown,
and feast with abandon,
We'll sleep when the morning comes,
and we'll rise by the sound of the birdsongs.

Cosmo Sheldrake
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2019 - 11:16am PT
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2019 - 12:17pm PT
Aftermath of a family's loss.
This little shrine on G St. has been there for a couple of weeks at least.
Haven't found out anything about it yet.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2019 - 03:44pm PT
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Jan 13, 2019 - 04:31pm PT

2 minute small hard face highbal
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words thar that run to gether
point taken
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2019 - 05:30pm PT
Mini-fiesta at the neighbors' casa this afternoon.
Remember these from LAST Christmastime?

Jan 13, 2019 - 09:25pm PT
The Flames

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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2019 - 11:50pm PT
I just now wokemeup, my eyes were fullasleep
I should go backtabed, not try to digtoodeep
But that song felt preddinice, I should playiddagain

Nah, backtabed.

I'll read DMT's TR innamornin.
I'm tellinya.

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Jan 14, 2019 - 02:41am PT
A Back to Bed blind bump


The symphony of dreams
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then playin' with his pops "Sun Sun Son here I come"

the way I see it this is the
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541&9s turns out to be one of mine,
it leads directly to the obsessive next post
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Jan 14, 2019 - 05:04am PT
on some thread somewhere "Marlow", I think It was?, posted a picture a screenshot that showed a banner add that read stop digging"
I thought to myself
Nose stop dripping

then to I've been doing some digging

working here then I wont go and hit send

Ok then get set have 2 cups and supplements a piece of the leftover toast
'cause cuz, here it is-
when the boys 1st played Tennesse Jed they broke out all the standards too.

They kicked us all in the head with Ramble On Rose On October 19, 1971 at the Northrop Auditorium at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis.

A Tuesday night This night is known as Break-out For all the 1st time played
It turned out to be Epic .... also played "One More Saturday Night as well. This was Kieth's 1st show But not Donna's?(Apparently)
so much easier to copy/paste then

"Ramble on Rose"
Words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia
("Ramble On Rose" composed and written by Robert Hunter and Jerry Garcia. Reproduced by arrangement with Ice Nine Publishing Company, Inc. (ASCAP)).
Just like Jack the Ripper
Just like Mojo Hand
Just like Billy Sunday
In a shotgun ragtime band
Just like New York City,
Just like Jericho
Pace the halls and climb the walls
Get out when they blow
Did you say your name was
Ramblin' Rose?
Ramble on, baby
Settle down easy
Ramble on, Rose

Just like Jack and Jill
Mama told the sailor
One heat up and one cool down
Leave nothin' for the tailor
Just like Jack and Jill
My Papa told the jailer
One go up and one come down
Do yourself a favor



I'm gonna sing you a hundred verses in ragtime
I know this song it ain't never gonna end
I'm gonna march you up and down the local county line
Take you to the leader of the band
Just like Crazy Otto
Just like Wolfman Jack
Sittin' plush with a royal flush
Aces back to back
Just like Mary Shelley
Just like Frankenstein
Clank your chains and count your change
Try to walk the line

(Repeat chorus and bridge)

Goodbye, Mama and Papa
Goodbye, Jack and Jill
The grass ain't greener, the wine ain't sweeter
either side of the hill.

Did you say your name was
Ramblin' Rose?
Ramble on, baby
Settle down easy
Ramble on, Rose
Analysis and Interpretation
The song lyric is structured in trochaic rhythm, with paired verses consisting of two lines of triameter, one of quadrameter, and another of triameter, for a total of 13 strong feet (!) per verse. The verses' rhyming pattern is A, B, C, [C], B; with the bracketed [C] being an optional internal rhyme: halls, walls; chains/change; and plush/flush. There are seven verses, with the first six in pairs. The final verse stands alone, carrying into the final chorus.

The chorus' rhythm stays in trochees for the first line of five beats, then switches to dactylic quadrameter for the second line, and a punchy single dactylic line of two beats to wind up. The chorus contains no rhymes. It is repeated three times.

The bridge is less easy to pin down, moving from iambic to trochaic to dactylic rhythms. It similarly dispenses with any firm rhyming pattern, relying solely on the assonances contained in "ragtime" and "county line." The bridge is repeated twice.


Perhaps the main point made by this song is that a lyric doesn't need a firm interpretation in order to be evocative. Depending on the listener, this song could be about American music itself, or about a card game, or about a man saying so long to an immature lover. At least three Jacks are invoked: Jack the Ripper, Jack (of Jack and Jill), and Wolfman Jack, which could easily be construed as constituting a poker hand. Tin Pan Alley, the Blues, Ragtime, Spirituals, Folk, Nursery rhymes, Country & Western, and Rock and Roll are all brought into the song, as noted in subsequent links, below. And the narrator seems to be addressing a lover who is determined to leave him on the subject of growing up, of settling down, of not always trying to find greener grass elsewhere.

How could one person be "just like" so many varied characters and situations? Look at any one person's life, and you will find the answer. There is no black and white answer to this song, just as there is no black and white answer to the questions of life itself. Hunter's hyperbolic use of the "just like" simile is a way of granting us the freedom to find our metaphors where we may, depending on the situation.
"by boxing in Quotes, it is easy to remove

[]"Ramble on Rose"
Recorded on
Europe '72
This version included on What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been
Dick's Picks, vol. 11

Numbering the song among his favorites, Robert Hunter stated in an interview in Relix (vol 5, no. 2, p. 25) that "Ramble on Rose is a particular favorite--there's something funny about that song."

In Gans' Conversations..., Hunter says:

"I think "Ramble On Rose" is the closest to complete whimsy I've come up with. I just sat down and wrote numerous verses that tied around "Did you say..."" --p. 28
Blair Jackson, in Grateful Dead: the Music Never Stopped, had this to say:

"Most of Garcia's songs from this period feature unusual rhythms that make them hard to peg in a specific musical genre. 'Ramble on Rose,' written around a whimsical, completely undecipherable bit of nonsense verse by Hunter, has a beat that sounds like a slowed-down shuffle with every other beat taken out, and bits of old-time American pop music thrown in." (Jackson p. 135)
An interview with Garcia in The Rolling Stone Rock N Roll Reader offers this perspective on Garcia's approach to musical styles:

"You have to get past the idea that music has to be one thing. To be alive in America is to hear all kinds of music constantly--radio, records, churches, cats on the street, everywhere music, man. And with records, the whole history of music is open to everyone who wants to hear it. ... Nobody has to fool around with musty old scores, weird notation, and scholarship bullshit: you can just go into a record store and pick a century, pick a country, pick anything, and dig it, make it a part of you, add it to the stuff you carry around, and see that it's all music." (pp. 259-260)
Jack the Ripper
Opening the song is Jack #1, a notorious, mysterious, frightening, just plain bad individual whose identity remains unknown. Between August 31 and November 9, 1888, five prostitutes in London were murdered by an assailant who identified himself in anonymous letters to the press as "Jack the Ripper." The killer used a knife to cut throats and mutilate bodies. Over the years, many suggestions have been made to solve the puzzle of the madman's identity.

"Jack," of course, is the colloquial equivalent of "John Doe." The most famous theory is that the Ripper was Prince Albert--"Eddy"--of Wales, Duke of Clarence. For a thorough exploration of this theory see Michael Harrison's Clarence: Was He Jack the Ripper? (1972). The book concludes that a tutor of Eddy's, one J.K. Stephen, a poet was the actual murderer. Part of the evidence given by Harrison is an alleged similarity between poems sent to the press by the Ripper and Stephen's own poetry.
Another theory, which enjoyed brief popularity, was that "Jack" was actually "Jill" the Ripper--based on the assumption that a woman would be less suspect, and could escape undetected while everyone searched for a male killer.

For more information, or for entertainment, you can read from the list of books below:

1. Robert Bloch. The Night of the Ripper. (1984) A horror novel by the author of Psycho.
2. Tom Cullen. When London Walked in Terror. (1965)
3. Stephen Knight. Jack the Ripper. (1976)
4. Donald Rumbelow. The Complete Jack the Ripper. (1975)
5. Frank Spiering. Prince Jack. (1978)
Mojo Hand
A note in Golden Road, Winter, 1984, stated that "'Mojo Hand'... was a common term among rural blacks for a person with extraordinary or seemingly magical abilities, and was the name of a song recorded by Lightnin' Hopkins. This reference brings the blues into the song.
There is also a 1986 book by J.J. Phillips entitled Mojo Hand, published by City Miner Books.

The Oxford English Dictionary (2nd ed.) does give a definition for "mojo": "local U.S. [Prob. of Afr. orig.:cf. Gullah moco witchcraft, magic, Fula moco'o medicine man.] Magic, the art of casting spells; a charm or amulet used in such spells."

Further down in the definition, an example of usage speaks of a synonym for "mojo" being "lucky hand."

And yet another definition in the OED equates "mojo" with morphine.

According to Hoodoo--Conjuration--Witchcraft--Rootwork: Beliefs Accepted by Many Negroes and White Persons, These Being Orally Recorded Among Blacks and Whites by Harry Middleton Hyatt (Hannibal, Mo.: Alma Egan Hyatt Foundation, 1970):

"A hand is a magic helper, an object or act, which aids a person in obtaining a desire... hand has other names, among them--toby, guide, shield, roots, mojo, jomo (transposition of syllables in mojo), and hoodoo bag."
Billy Sunday
Billy Sunday on a postcard from the era Billy Sunday, listed in the Baseball Encyclopedia as William Ashley (The Evangelist) Sunday, was one of the founders of the American evangelistic movement--his heirs of today being Billy Graham, et al. He started out as a baseball player for major league teams in Chicago, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, beginning his sports career in 1883, quitting the game in 1890. He then began his religious career, starting out as a desk clerk at the YMCA, working his way up as a helper to itinerant preachers, and finally becoming the most popular evangelist of the time, preaching to huge crowds.
Sunday's style was highly flamboyant, and included colloquial baseball lingo, which won him a mass audience. One important aspect of his road show was the music which accompanied it, which consisted of a huge choir, with piano and trombone accompaniment. The music is said to have been "far from unctuous; it approached the jazzy."

[They Gathered at the River. Wait )(Siic)

"Shotgun: passing into adj. Made or done hastily or under pressure of necessity."--Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed.
Ragtime Band
This note is for the phrase "ragtime band", which, in popular music, conjures up the famous Irving Berlin song, "Alexander's Ragtime Band." Evoking Irving Berlin is a way of evoking all of the Tin Pan Alley tradition of American popular music. The phrase "in a shotgun ragtime band" matches the rhythm of the Irving Berlin title perfectly.
"Alexander's Ragtime Band" was published in March of 1911, and was first popularized by Emma Carus. According to James J. Fuld, in his The Book of World-Famous Music, "The `Alexander' in the title is reportedly Jack [!] Alexander, a cornet-playing bandleader who died in 1958. It has been frequently pointed out that the song is not in real ragtime. Berlin was born in Temun, Russia, in 1888." (p. 79)

Alec Wilder, in his book American Popular Song: the Great Innovators, 1900-1950, devotes 30 pages to the role of Irving Berlin, and comments as follows on the subject of "Alexander's Ragtime Band": "I have heard enough ragtime to wonder why Alexander's Ragtime Band was so titled. For I find no elements of ragtime in it, unless the word `ragtime' simply specified the most swinging and exciting of the new American music. It is a very strong, solid song, verse and chorus. More than that, it is not crowded with notes. There are constant open spots in it. At the outset, in the verse, the first three measures begin on the second beat. This `kicks' the song, and immediately. Incidentally, this is the earliest popular song I know of in which the verse and chorus are in different keys....Could the slight, chromatic opening phrase of the song have cuased all the furor, the grass fire that spread over the face of Europe? Or was the restatement of this phrase a fourth higher the device which did the trick? In any event, the song was a high point in the evolution of popular music." (pp. 94-95)

Hunter, in alluding to Berlin's song, manages to evoke two strains of American popular music simultaneously, ragtime and Tin Pan Alley. This becomes significant as the song progresses, evoking more and more tributaries to the mainstream of American music.


Alexander's Ragtime Band
Words and music by Irving Berlin (1911)
Oh! ma honey, Oh! ma honey,
Better hurry, and let's meander;
Ain't you goin', ain't you goin'
To the leader man, ragged meter man?
Oh! ma honey, Oh! ma honey,
Let me take to to Alexander's grandstand, brass band,
Ain't you comin' along?


Come on and hear, come on and hear
Alexander's Ragtime Band;
Come on and hear, come on and hear,
It's the best band in the land.
They can play a bugle call
Like you never heard before,
So natural that you want to go to war;
That's just the bestest band what ma, honey lamb!
Let me take you by the hand
Up to the man, up to the man
Who's the leader of the band;
And if you care to hear the Swanee River played in ragtime,
Come on and hear, come on and hear
Alexander's Ragtime Band.

Oh! ma honey, Oh! ma honey,
There's a fiddle with notes that screeches
Like a chicken, like a chicken,
And the clarinet is a colored pet.
Come and listen, come and listen
To a classical band what's peaches, come now, somehow,
Better hurry along!

This is a fairly obvious reference, but two things deserve note.
1. The Biblical account of the fall of Jericho is found in the Book of Joshua, Chapter 6, vv. 1-20.
2. The reference to Jericho also calls to mind the spiritual "Joshua Fit de Battle of Jericho." Since so much of this song evokes various aspects of American popular music, this evocation gains significance.
In Wade in the Water,, Arthur Jones entitles one entire chapter "Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho: Struggle and Resistance."

"A song like "Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho," for example, could honor the actions of any number of "Joshuas" in the African community who led their people in battle in many different "Jerichos." It could also be used as bibliocal support for planned batles. For example, in his meetings with co-conspirators in Charleston, South Carolina, Denmark Vesey preached from the Bible, using verse from the book of Joshua to draw parallels between the biblical story of Joshua and the plans for the insurrection in Charleston." -- p. 52.
This comment from a reader:
"From Hartman@UH.EDU
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 10:42:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Gary Hartman
Subject: Annotated GD Lyrics
I have one minor comment on Ramble on Rose. I think the end of the Jericho verse -- "get out when they blow" -- resonates with the musical allusions you have so correctly identified. "To blow" is, especially in the jazz argot, to play music. And, of course (this may be so obvious that you intentionally don't mention it), the walls of Jericho were brought down by the power of music. It even seems that earlier in the verse, "pace the halls" could refer to the rooms in which the musicians play (and the backstage areas in which they anxiously await the time to blow).


Ramblin' Rose
Hunter might well have written "You never said your name was Ramblin' Rose," but chose not to, leaving the ambiguity of the song firmly in place.
A rambling rose is an old-fashioned and now rarely cultivated type of rose which would spread low across the ground on long, whippy canes. Ramblers are now grown usually as climbers, instead.

Three songs in American popular music have borne the name "Ramblin(g) Rose." The most famous of the three is the 1962 "Ramblin' Rose," words and music by Joe and Noel Sherman. It was introduced by Nat King Cole, who at first did not wish to record it. He was talked into it, however, by his 12-year-old daughter, (Natalie?) and her instincts were good, because it was a hit, reaching the #2 position on the charts in August, 1962. It has since been recorded by Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Willie Nelson, among others.

The second most popular tune of this title is the 1948 "Rambling Rose" by Joseph McCarthy (not the infamous Joe McCarthy) and Joe Burke.

The third is of unknown date, titled "Ramblin Rose" by Wilkin and Burch, recorded by Slim Whitman.

A fourth song, dating from 1931, is entitled "Marta (Rambling Rose of the Wildwood)" by Gilbert and Simons.

And a reader points out that "Rambling Rose" was also the title of a movie, starring Laura Dern.

Jack and Jill
A well-known, perhaps the best known nursery rhyme is ingrained in our memories from early childhood.
Jack #2 of the song is thus introduced, along with his feminine counterpart. References to this pair predate even the nursery rhyme, according to the Oxford Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes, which dates the rhyme from the first half of the 17th century. Shakespeare says "Jack shall have Jill, Nought shall go ill," (Midsummer Night's Dream, Act 3, scene 2, line 461) using the names in the general sense of "lad and lass." (And, in Love's Labours Lost, there is the line "Jack hath not Gill," [5.02.875]--but that's a different story, and there's already plenty written on Shakespeare.)

Many theories have arisen regarding the origin of the rhyme, but most agree that it can be traced to the Scandinavian Edda epic, and that it may have pagan ritualistic significance. To most listeners, however, Jack and Jill conjure up an image of childhood, just like Mama and Papa.

As with much of this song, there is music associated with the words, and it is likely that most of us have chanted this nursery rhyme, so that the inclusion of Jack and Jill adds still another component to the swirl of music conjured up by this song.

Jack and Jill
Old Dame Dob
Jack and Jill
Went up the hill,
To fetch a pail of water;
Jack fell down,
And broke his crown,
And Jill came tumbling after.

Then up Jack got,
And home did trot,
As fast as he could caper;
To old Dame Dob,
Who patched his nob
With vinegar and brown paper.
When Jill came in,
How she did grin
To see Jack's paper plaster;
Her mother, vexed,
Did whip her next,
For laughing at Jack's disaster.
Now Jack did laugh
And Jill did cry,
But her tears did soon abate;
Then Jill did say,
That they should play
At see-saw across the gate.
Source: The Oxford Nursery Rhyme Book. Assembled by Iona and Peter Opie. Oxford, 1955.

One go up...
The Annotated Mother Goose contains the following rhyme: "Gay go up and gay go down/ To ring the bells of London Town." --p. 253.
Percy Green, in his A History of Nursey Rhymes, explains the rhyme as a children's game:

"This almost forgotten nursery song and game of "The Bells of London Town" has a descriptive burden or ending to each line, giving an imitation of the sounds of the bell-peals of the principal churches in each locality of the City and the old London suburbs. The game is played by girls and boys holding hands and racing sideways, as they do in "Ring a Ring a Rosies," after each line has been sung as a solo by the children in turns. The
"Gay go up and gay go down
To ring the bells of London town"
is chorussed by all the company, and then the rollicking dance begins; the feet stamping out a noisy but enjoyable accompaniment to the words, "Gay go up, gay go down." "--p. 180

The line is also echoed in the folk song "Maid Freed from the Gallows, "and may therefore be a reference to hanging. (Sharp #28, version H) The song is also registered as a Child Ballad, #95, "The Prickly Bush."

As a side note, which relfects another aspect of Grateful Dead lyrics in general, namely, how it is possible to mis-hear lyrics in concert.

At the closing of Winterland concert, I distinctly remember being so glad that I finally understood this line of Ramble on Rose. What I heard was: "Buckle up and buckle down: do yourself a favor."

And it still makes more sense to me than the "real" lyric.

Leader of the band
See the interview with Robert Hunter in Relix, vol. 5, no. 2:
"Relix: We're interested in the 'Leader of the band' concept ... Do you feel that there is a leader ...?

Hunter: [partial response] Well, it would be hard to imagine the Grateful Dead without Garcia, wouldn't it?

Relix: Were you getting at anything like that in 'Ramblin' Rose?' [sic] Was talking about taking someone to the leader of the band talking about the Dead per se?

Hunter: I suppose there's an element of the Dead in a lot of my songs. It's hard to scramble it out from what's pure fancy."

This seems a fairly noncommittal reply, and is therefore consistent with the song: don't tie it down, package it; don't say: this is what it means. It also seems worth noting the extensive parallels to "Alexander's Ragtime Band", with all its talk of a leader of the band.

Crazy Otto
This reference is to one (or both?) of two pianists who were known by that name in the 1950's. The first was the German pianist Fritz Schulz-Reichel, whose career was comparable to that of Peter Schickele, who composes under the pseudonym of P.D.Q. Bach. Schulz-Reichel alternated between playing "serious" music and playing ragtime, for which he donned an absurd-looking fake goatee and Kaiser Willie mustache, along with the moniker "Otto der Schrage." (Crazy Otto).
[Photo of Johnny Maddox] Most reference works on ragtime that mention a Crazy Otto, however, are referring to Johnny Maddox, another popular piano player. A phone call from Maddox to me on October 22, 1997, revealed the entire story of Maddox's association with the Crazy Otto name and music. Maddox says that a returning GI brought back a copy of the Otto der Schrage record from Germany, and brought it to the deejay Walt Henrich at WERE radio in Cleveland. Henrich in turn brought it to Bill Randall, also a deejay at that station, who played some tracks from the record on the air. Such was the reaction of the listening public, that Randall got in touch with Randy Wood, who was a producer of "copy" records, and who, in turn, commissioned Maddox to record a copy of the ragtime pieces as a medley, which was released as "The Crazy Otto Medley-Played by Johnny Maddox."

At the time, (1954), Maddox was rated the number one jukebox artist in America, independent of any association with Crazy Otto. According to Maddox, it was a common practice at the time for independent producers to commision "cover records"-virtual note-for-note copies of records which were not readily available. Maddox never wanted to be known as Crazy Otto, though, and he only released one other record which contained a reference to the character, Crazy Otto Piano. He released over forty albums of ragtime and other popular piano pieces under his own name. His biggest album, mentioned in most standard ragtime discographies, was Authentic Ragtime. (As an interesting side note, Maddox noted that many of today's reverential ragtime performers make the music sound like it belongs in a funeral home, rather than for dancing.) Maddox hailed from Gallatin, Tennessee.


David Jasen. Rags and Ragtime: a Musical History. Seabury Press, 1978.
Terry Waldo. This is Ragtime. Hawthorn Books, 1976.
Life Magazine, May 2, 1955, p. 113-114: "Otto, Real and Crazy."
This note from a reader:

From: Warren Hurley []
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: crazy otto

Johnny Maddox still plays piano (and still hails from Gallatin), particularly summer stints at the Diamond Belle Saloon in Durango Colorado.
Wolfman Jack
An elusive character in more ways than one, Wolfman Jack's real name is Bob Smith. Born in Brooklyn in 1938, Wolfman says "We all emulated the Black culture. There wasn't any other." His major early influence was a Black deejay named Dr. Jive, and while still a teenager he dropped out of school and hit the road, heading south, working for rhythm and blues radio stations. Finally, in 1957, he became station manager and late night deejay at XERF in Ciudad Acuna, just over the Mexican border from Del Rio, Texas. On a good night, you could hear him north to Canada and west to California, as Mexican stations were allowed far higher wattage than American stations.
Throughout the late 50's and all through the 60's, Wolfman cultivated a vocal persona that led everyone to think he was actually a Black deejay. With his first appearance in the flesh, in the movie "American Graffiti," he shocked everyone with the revelation that he was, indeed, white. "Nobody knew if I was shite or black or whatever," he said in an interview with Time in 1973, "and I kept the mystique up. No pictures, no interviews."

The appellation "Wolfman" conjures up a wild and supernatural being, as introduced into American pop culture with the 1941 movie "The Wolf Man," starring Lon Chaney, Jr. (See "Werewolves of London" by Warren Zevon, for mention of Chaney in song.) Bela Lugosi as Frankenstein's monster met Chaney as the Wolf Man in a 1943 sequel, "Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man." They reunited in the 1944 film "House of Frankenstein." And, of course, they meet again in this song.

The Dead are not the only ones to have included Wolfman Jack in a song. Leon Russell's "Living on the Highway" is about him.

Wolfman Jack appears as Jack #3 in the song.

As a side note, it is probable that Hunter assumed, as did everyone else, that Wolfman Jack was Black, as the song predates his public appearance.


1. Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock and Roll, Jim Miller, editor. Random House, 1980.
2. Time Magazine, August 27, 1973, p. 62: "Wolfman's New Lair."
Royal Flush, Aces Back to Back
The phrase "Back to back" is said of the first two hole cards in seven card stud poker, or of the hole card and the first upcard when they are paired or "wired." Thus, the hand being bescribed is a seven-card stud poker hand just prior to the dealing of the final down card, made up of 10, Jack, Queen, King, and Ace all of one suit (the highest hand in poker), with an extra Ace in the hole.
Mary (Wollstonecraft) Shelley
Author (1818) of Frankenstein. Her mother was the famous early feminist theorist Mary Wollstonecraft. She married Percy Shelley, the poet, at age 16, and wrote Frankenstein at the suggestion of her husband and Lord Byron, after beginning the story as impromptu entertainment around the fire in Geneva, in the summer of 1816.

Hunter probably means to refer, not to Victor Frankenstein, the doctor who created a monster in Mary Shelley's book, but to the monster himself. Castle Frankenstein still stands near Darmstadt, West Germany. Konrad Dippel (1673-1734) spent his youth there, and later studied alchemy at Giessen University under the name "Frankensteina," and had particular interest in the theories fashionable at the time concerning the life force.
Walk the Line
This saying seems to have its origin in an old sobriety test given to sailors: walking between two parallel lines chalked onto the deck--also known as "Walking the chalk." The meaning of the saying in the present day is inclusive of sobriety, but is much broader, having to do with good behavior, usually under some form of pressure or even duress.
The line also summons up echoes of Johnny Cash and his 1956 song "I Walk the Line," adding some country flavor to the stew that already includes everything from ragtime to Dark Star.

Source: Picturesque Expressions: a Thematic Dictionary. L. Urdang, Gale, 1980.

The Grass Ain't Greener
For an incredible essay on the proverb, see Wolfgang Mieder's article, "The Grass Is Always Greener On the Other Side of the Fence: An American Proverb of Discontent" in De Proverbio: An Electronic Journal of International Proverb Studies (Vol. 1, n. 1: 1995).
Old proverbs are usually a breeze to track down, as they have been the subject of study for years, and a large number of books cataloging and indexing proverbs have been written, dating back to the biblical book of Proverbs. However, a determined search for the origin of the saying "The grass is always greener on the other side of the hill (or fence)" yielded not a clue.

An inquiry sent to the Bay Area Library and Information Service turned up a file on the phrase, luckily, and its origins turn out to be quite ancient, most likely predating the Latin authors whose work contains the seed of the quotation. Both Ovid and Juvenal wrote lines which, in translation, turned into the proverb we know. Ovid's appears in his Ars Amatoria (The Art of Love), Book 1, line 349: "Fertilior seges est alienis semper in agris" or "The crop seems always more productive in our neighbor's field." Juvenal's Satires, in Satire XIV, Line 142, says "Majorque videtur et melior vicina seges," or "And the crop of our neighbor seems greater and better than our own."

The earliest notation of The grass is greener as an American phrase is found in an article by Helen Pearce in the California Folklore Quarterly, vol. 5, July 1946, entitled 'Folk Sayings in a Pioneer Family of Western Oregon.' She recorded the phrase as "The greener pasture's over yonder (or The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.)"

All this is very well, but it seems unlikely that even Robert Hunter was actually familiar with Ovid and Juvenal and their versions of this phrase.

I believe the source is much closer, and that the line merits comparison with the line about Jericho earlier in the song,
as a couple of possible sources in American popular song of the 1960's are much more easily identified--namely, the two songs "Green, Green" and "The Grass is Greener."

Most of us can hum the first, which dates from 1963, words and music by Barry McGuire and Randy Sparks, and based on fragments of traditional material, according to its authors. (This "fragmentary material" has yet to come to light.) The song was a hit record for the New Christy Minstrels. The second tune was written by Barry Mann and Mike Anthony, and was a best-selling record for Brenda Lee, also in 1963.

First posted: February, 1995
Last revised: June 26, 2003

such a mean thing, ....
Things that just maybe, my aging mother holds.
My sister who has lurked here
was clearly involved in taking things -The J Garcia Doll-
back stage pictures, ticket stubs, decorative presentations framed to look important.
I wish I'd left more in strange un-related places; I left a stack of extranious ticket stubs in a small green cardboard box that a piece of climbing gear came in, that box survived & I have it.
The nicely stored stuff is MIA.
Oh And a collection of tobacco pipes. what is left to me from what I had is hurtfully pathetic, on the fish- purpose.
I have Two of the not all that Mersschams, one the Sherlock The other I'll take a snap of, running horses opium from ?

Given the disrupted childhood I had one would think
the place you stood to be measured After being retrieved was a thing you would think would last
& when the renovation planned - be given a chance to retrieve things

That did not happen. So every rare visit now, things from the childhood shrine bedroom get trotted out and left just hanging around to be found.
some things water logged some things still prime

Critical info? I don't know?
if it is just the ramblings of me what can I say? my moments of glory all faded away...
there are some 20-30?(23 fall '87- New Years, for sure) of those delicate stickers stuck to things.( you were not given a choice, if you were invited you had to wear it, it did not get you into the venue, if you wanted to go up front - often you had to give it up, the party back stage, if you were "The Short Stranger, was only so-so, Where as all the girls were spoken for in the "Living Room" Out front was where The party rocke'd and your girl friends were. I was always conflicted, O, a bad show from out front often meant that the private doors were locked to all but[/quote}
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2019 - 06:48am PT
a whole lotta that won't get read but gnome don't care he's like the hunny badger who also don't giveashit & comes back for more

LA teachers are striking this morning. Second largest school district in the nation.

They're gonna empty the bench trying to substiteach.

Wanna hear what our retired ace might have to say.

Are you up, Tad? Are you in the know?

Comments, questions, or difficulties about the LA strike? (Teachers talk that way.)

Who do they think they are?[Click to View YouTube Video]

Accept no substitutes - there is only one Who really is that.
Love you're pronouns and they'll love y'all back.

B side to Substitute.[Click to View YouTube Video]aka "Circles"

Notice in the two pics that "The" was later mislaid on Moon's drum kit.

"they don't teach'em anything anyways."--Vern

Get on your knees, children. Now, pray.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2019 - 07:24am PT
Would like to shout out to Larry Jones, having hip replacement today.
[Click to View YouTube Video] Hang in there, Larry.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Jan 14, 2019 - 07:42am PT
I do care, And it is a job to read,
it has the crazy links to all sorts of meanings related in the song.

Im workin' it,
and then I'll try to share

but Ive got a Derek H, story too
to try to get to

there is the Coz story too
and more work to clear the desk
reapping what I sowed
there is an abundance going on
and some football

Ice climber
Jan 14, 2019 - 02:29pm PT
Anybody been wondering about the Battle of the Little Bighorn lately.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Ice climber
Jan 14, 2019 - 02:38pm PT
Anybody looking for any of these folks?

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Alright let's hear it for Alabaster Brown

Alabaster Brown
Camp Zoe Concert/Festival Venue and Campgrounds - Springjam6
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Alabaster Brown Live at Camp Zoe Concert/Festival Venue and Campgrounds - Springjam6 on 2010-04-16
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2019 - 05:55pm PT
No matter what, he keeps on dancin'.

no title

bewitching and becoming
his rhyming goes a-humming
along his sing-song lines of verse
his rhythm is a curse
but it could be worse
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2019 - 06:02pm PT


Ice climber
Jan 14, 2019 - 07:12pm PT

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2019 - 07:46pm PT
I went to the Cinema Cafe this morning and it was pretty crowded by the time I left.

I tried to sort of duplicate their menu art sitting at the end of the counter.
Then I split to the other coffee place and Vern stopped in and we decided to go north and so forth...And then we got to Ceres, grabbed some indicated goodies, and returned.
It rained most of the way.
How was YOUR day?
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