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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Did someone say guns?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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A Cuisinart? Maybe it's a KitchenAid.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I can't believe yous guys are totally ignoring the KitchenAid. SHEESH!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I couldn't tell if it was a Kitchenaid or a Hobart.
EDTI:
I see the chrome strap now. Kitchenaid.
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couchmaster
climber
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This thread seems like the adults have left and some angry sugared up 3rd graders who's naptime has long since passed have taken over.
(Shakes head, resists finger wagging.) Youse guys will be edging the powers to be to change their policy of "freezing" forum topics that denigrate into personal attacks to one wherein all future personal attacks and conflicts will be decided by a cage match to the death with sharp knifes. At least they can sell tickets and finish up forum conflicts in a rapid and expeditious manner.
That is, if they haven't pulled all their hair out at wits end and just walked away from the site yet after getting this far on this thread that seemed to have taken an abrupt left turn. Isn't this RJ below?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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"Ad hominen attacks are the weapon of people who don't have reasonable, factual, evidentiary arguments to offer."
~ Jim Donini
Indeed. I will translate for those who may have trouble understanding what you said...
Ad hominem attacks mean "ya got nothin'!"
My wife says that stupidity should be painful for the person engaging in it.
That would solve a lot of problems.
She also says people have two ears and one mouth because they should listen twice as much as they talk.
Smart woman.
Thanks, Chris, for watching after the children...including me. Now I'll have more time to make some deadlines!
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Am I missing something or weren't the only attacks toward the end on the president-elect, who I am pretty sure doesn't know Supertopo exists?
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Ad hominem attacks mean ya got nothin!
Sure, if you're arguing to convince a bunch of computers. But sure not! if you're arguing to convince a bunch of humans.
IMHO, Trump just got elected president in large part thanks to his expertise in ad hominem attacks and the similarly illogical nature of many of our human belief processes.
And not just the illogical nature of their (eg the ad hominem attack folks) belief processes, but the illogical nature of ours (eg the ad hominem attacks mean you got nothin folks) as well.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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That is reaching ,right there.
You realize he won by 200k but lost by 3M.
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Thanks, Chris. Managing this fascinating zoo makes herding cats look like a pushover.
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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I had to look this up . . .
"Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]
Fallacious ad hominem reasoning is normally categorized as an informal fallacy,[3][4][5] more precisely as a genetic fallacy, a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.
However, in some cases, ad hominen attacks can be non-fallacious; i.e., if the attack on the character of the person is directly tackling the argument itself. For example, if the truth of the argument relies on the truthfulness of the person making the argument—rather than known facts—then pointing out that the person has previously lied is not a fallacious argument." Wikileaks
Pro hominem, on the other hand, is what Chris Mac can use to win any argument here: it is the appeal to authority. More specifically, an appeal to legitimate authority: he's the guy whose job it is to keep this place functioning, from the top down. It's a shallow hierarchy, fraught with group dynamics, and I think you have done a great hob in managing such diversity and such egos, including mine. Thank you Chris.
What a lively and interesting thread to read. I think Chris Mac made a good policy decision a couple of years ago with the freezing. I know of several "private" fora, owned by a particular individual, where threads that wander into red herrings, ad hominem statements, and other logical vacuums, are quickly frozen.
Happy New Year
feralfae
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Rbord, thanks for making my argument.
I'm still going with ad hominem attacks are a dependable red flag for an inadequate argument.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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The "Why it happened" thread was beyond boring. Seriously. How many times do the same few people have to say the same thing over and over and over before they get tired of saying it? Apparently there is no limit.
A really good political thread would be welcome, but in order for a political thread to become really good on Supertopo, eight or ten people would have to be banned. Which ain't likely to happen, so a good Supertopo political discussion remains a fantasy.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Ghost, thank you but don't immortalize them. I can't wait for the next twisted knickers echo chamber thread. We should have an office pool based on the hours before the next one starts.
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