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Jones in LA
Mountain climber
Tarzana, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 05:27pm PT
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@munge -- you nailed my initial sense of outrage right on the head: something beautiful and amazing hijacked by a bunch of f*ck-heads.
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stilltrying
Trad climber
washington indiana
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Why is it necessary to somehow make an effort to show case ethnic diversity in climbing ? That would be like trying to imply that the NBA is not 80% black or that Latin Americans don't excel in baseball, etc. It is what it is. Not sure why different groups of people like some activities over others. The Professor is like the rest of us entitled to his opinion but we should not validate it by trying to correct a false premise. I think Jessie Owens pretty much squashed the "White Supremacy" in sports theory with 4 Gold Medals in the1936 Berlin Olympics. Guess the Professor didn't get the memo. His loss.
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Jones in LA
Mountain climber
Tarzana, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 05:40pm PT
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@stilltrying: I get what you're saying. I also think that publishers of climbing magazines, and gear manufacturers who sponsor climbers, could do more to reach less familiar corners of the climbing community.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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That is my point DMT.
40,000 years ago all humans were black. Then some moved north into europe where having sensitivity to the sun allowed clothed or wintered humans to still produce enough vitamin D, so in time skins lightened.
I wonder if Crazy Mac would even acknowledge this.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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^Does it say that in the Bible?
I've read that the white portion of the Earth was the result of colonizaiotn from space. Might have been George Lincoln Rockwell, the guy who invented space travel. No wonder real white folks never get the flu.
Viral And Bacterial Immunity
It’s a common trope in Science that aliens, having never encountered Earth bacteria before, will succumb to simple diseases which they have no immunity to. Just look at the pilgrims and conquistadors, and the havoc smallpox and typhus wreaked on unexposed native populations. But conquistadors and Aztecs were both human. According to Seth Shostak, senior engineer from SETI, bacteria are limited to the life forms they are biochemically related to.
Our germs have evolved to survive on our unique DNA. Even viruses and bacterial infections that infect one species on our planet will only rarely spread to another. Dogs don’t routinely get the ‘flu, for example. Any alien life form that invaded earth will likely be immune to earthly diseases, so don’t expect a War of the Worlds solution.
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Jones in LA
Mountain climber
Tarzana, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
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@tami -- I don't see any evidence of racial discrimination in the magazines. I think we as climbers are for the most part a tolerant and inviting bunch. Having said that, I just flipped through the latest issue of R&I (not the Dawn Wall edition) and can't say I saw a single latino/latina for sure, or Asian climber; this is a lot different than my experience at the local crags, and in Yosemite for that matter. Regarding my own experience, this may be due at least in part to where I live.
I abhor the idea of some magazine editor saying to his/her staff that they need to publish X-number of features with ethnic group Y. What I'm saying is that our community, ethnically speaking, is substantially bigger than you will likely see represented in an average magazine issue. I'd like to see magazine editors and advertisers look farther, that's all.
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Jones in LA
Mountain climber
Tarzana, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2015 - 08:50pm PT
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@scrubby -- my observation is that all ethnic groups in my neighborhood have shown themselves to be Equal Opportunity taggers. I've always wondered what the Jesus Wall would have been called if it hadn't been tagged way back in the day with "Jesus Saves" ;-)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Diversity isn't represented in the mags ( ever read the hilarious stuff on this forum from a group of gay climbers in the US south - their name escapes me just now )
It's the crowd that puts on the Homoclimbtastic festival.
And I think therein lies the key to dealing with the crazy professor. I think Tommy C & Kevin J should reach out to the guy and do an interview. An interview for which they showed up holding hands and telling the prof they'd like him to come to their wedding.
It would be interesting to see how fast he backtracked on what stellar examples of white supremacy they were.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Having said that, I just flipped through the latest issue of R&I (not the Dawn Wall edition) and can't say I saw a single latino/latina for sure, or Asian climber; this is a lot different than my experience at the local crags,
i've seen lots of latino's and asian's in the rags! so maybe their buddies aren't buying the mags?! Mags have to make money to reproduce
maybe instead of having a negative voice. you could go to mexico/spain and china/japan and cheer them on to buy R&I?
Whitey has done alot to start this country, and to start rowing, soccer, football, baseball, basketball, etc., and of course climbing as to becoming the matrix of our culture. Adventurism! Seriously, as a whole, who is more adventurous than the white man?? i don't see any african's, indian's, or asians walking on the moon.. it must be genetics? blame it on evolution!
Just don't be a hater!!
Why not give some props,where props are due?????
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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BLUE you really can't see the forest for the trees ..you are blissfully unaware of the world around you. Hell you arn't even aware that you might be unaware.
Adventures require excess time and money.
It's easy to be adventurous when you belong to the richest culture in the world. Riches that in the beginning and perhaps today came about because that culture was the only one morally corrupt enough to convince itself it had a right to take anything it wanted. Almost every inch of this nation was stolen and we kidnapped, exiled and murdered millions for it.
Manifest destiny eh? Nice excuse to rob and kill and still sleep at night.
I don't apologize for it since I have nothing to do with it and have opposed our continued wars for control of any valuable resource, but I am very well aware of it.
I am aware of other cultures within this nation, ones that don't have the centuries of wealth required to develop within them respect let alone traditions for wasting money and time.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Riches that in the beginning and perhaps today came about because that culture was the only one morally corrupt enough to convince itself it had a right to take anything it wanted.
Barf. Read some history.
Humans from every corner of the world in every color and creed are and have been selfish and messed up. Some were just more successful than others.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Barf. Read some history.
Humans from every corner of the world in every color and creed are and have been selfish and messed up. Some were just more successful than others.
You may have a point. Regardless we did what we did and the centuries of wealth of this culture has created some unusual habits.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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I don't apologize for it since I have nothing to do with it and have opposed our continued wars for control of any valuable resource, but I am very well aware of it.
I am aware of other cultures within this nation, ones that don't have the centuries of wealth required to develop within them respect let alone traditions for wasting money and time.
WHaT the hell are you talking ABOUT??
why not set down the keyboard and just take another bong load
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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True Climbski2.
And I may have been a little too blunt. It's just a pet peeve when people assume the losers of wars and land were always innocent and the winners were inherently worse. Sometime they were both jerks and one was stronger.
Either way, MacDonald is whacko and I can't even comprehend thinking like that and not realizing it's whacko!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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WHaT the hell are you talking ABOUT??
Something you might have a feel for if you were not so entrenched in just one culture. I suspect much will change in the next 100 years or so. Prosperity is spreading and has a fair chance to continue to do so. More young people in other cultures will have the opportunity to do these things and better. Amazing experiences for certain types of personality. Those personalities are by no means unusually racially distributed.
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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A story:
Several years ago I was hiking up to climb Whitney via the Mountaineer's route and was camped below Boy Scout Lake. I was making breakfast, considering whether the headache I was suffering would calm down enough to continue on the climb, when suddenly
I heard the distinct sounds of a group of Spanish speaking hikers. I looked over and saw a group of 6-7 Mexicans hiking up the nearby trail. Curious who they were and where they had come from I greeted them and struck up a conversation. My first impulse was to comment on their very non-outdoorsy clothing, nothing but cotton, tennis shoes, blue jeans, and light sweaters, not a bit of poly amongst them - but I held my tongue.
Turned out they were from Tijuana, had been partying in a nightclub and one of them suggested they drive up and climb Whitney. They were literally walking off their drunkedness.
I tried to act fatherly and give them some sage advice, but being teenagers, they just blew me off. They continued along their way with not a care in the world.
Hours later I was relaxing at Iceberg Lake when I saw them again, this time walking from the direction of Mt. Russell. I joked, "hey, what happened to your plan to climb Whitney?"
Their response: "Ya, we climbed it, and after descending realized we still had lots of time so we went and climbed Mt. Russell, too."
Que la chingada con la superioridad de los Blancos!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I have an LP (ever read about those, kids?) by Lenny Bruce. This one schtick goes like this:
"So you are given the choice of spending the rest of your life with one woman. You have to
choose between one white woman and one black woman. The white woman is Kate Smith
and the black woman is Lena Horne."
Lenny did it a bit better than that.
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