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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jan 28, 2015 - 05:09am PT
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Kos..Did you make it to the rock-roll hall of fame and did you know Kenny Rodgers can be annoying if you play poker with him..?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jan 28, 2015 - 10:22am PT
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QITNL, the answer is "yes," to the extent we name "Muslims," rather than terrorists purporting to act in the name of Islam. It's like the difference between "Christians" and Westboro Baptist Church. I feel the same way when I see posts that generalize about "Muslim countries."
John
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jan 28, 2015 - 12:36pm PT
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Unfortunately, there's a very real world out there where masses of innocent people die horrible deaths while others sit around in their selfish little worlds ignoring their plight instead of getting off their self-absorbed asses and attempting to help them out.
So this means you typed this standing up?
Why not try a little kindness in your efforts to rid the world of tyrants?
Hate is hate. Choose love.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 28, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
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TMJesse - Thanks for reminding me about this. I'd put Hookworm at the top of the list.
QITNL: I appreciate your kind remark and also the reality check. It gives me hope for the human race.
As for you Pud - what do you define as kindness? Ignoring mass murder?
For what it's worth, I've spent 9 years doing volunteer work with the homeless, been presented with a certificate of appreciation from the Governor-General of Canada for the number of (free) pints of blood I have donated and I contribute money to the War Amps of Canada. I have also risked my life on numerous occasions to rescue strangers in distress. Is there a point in me continuing?
Is that enough love for you? Now let's read about the overwhelming number of selfless deeds you perform that gives you the right to smirk at genocide.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 28, 2015 - 02:22pm PT
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Next time it will probably be Christians.
gen·o·cide
/ˈjenəˌsīd/
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people
Until 1973, there was bit of institutionalized "genocide" going on in this country, related to the christians. Over 5,000 people were "murdered" every year in this country.
In a landmark case in 1973, Roe vs. Wade, the U.S. Supreme Court over turned christian laws that prevented a woman from getting an abortion. Women no longer had to rely on back-room abortions that killed over 50,000 women in the previous decade.
Nowadays, the death rate from natural child birth is greater than the death rate from surgical abortion.
In the USA:
Americans killed by ISIS = 0
Americans killed by christians = over 100,000 in total
Gives you food for thought for who are the true villains.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 28, 2015 - 04:21pm PT
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I'm still steaming over comments about love magically acting as an antidote to genocide. For those unfamiliar with the '60s, that was the mantra of the counterculture, and while it was an admirable sentiment, in the big picture it didn't change a damn thing.
Furthermore, while many, if not most, victims of the Holocaust were rounded up before they even had a chance to comprehend what was in store for them, many of those who perished simply ignored compelling evidence that their fate was death. These poor fools simply didn't believe that civilized people could possibly intend to murder them merely because of their religious beliefs.
A verbatim conversation overheard by an Auschwitz survivor:
Jewish woman (who was moments away from being sent to the gas chambers) to SS officer: "I've been told that you intend to murder us.
SS officer: "Madam! Do you think we are barbarians?"
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jan 28, 2015 - 04:42pm PT
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When a person is shocked to their core with the reality they are being presented with, denial is a method of coping. Some will take that route, others not. One cannot place blame on a person for being incapable of believing the unbelievable.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 28, 2015 - 05:57pm PT
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These poor fools simply didn't believe that civilized people could possibly intend to murder them merely because of their religious beliefs.
This is true. In one of the USC testimonies, a survivor talked about his father being the respected elder in his small Polish village. When the people came to him worried about what the Germans might do, the father said not to worry. The German people were the most cultured, most civilized in the world.
The kid survived because he was young and healthy and an Aryan blond in the labor camp office would sneak him marmalade and butter sandwiches when he did chores at the office. When got typhus his employer hid him for a few days until he recovered. Typhus got you shot right away.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 28, 2015 - 06:55pm PT
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Happiegrrrl2: I intend not even a whisper of blame against those poor people. It is human nature to confront the unimaginable with disbelief.
The tragedy here is that evil people use this heartbreakingly human instinct to serve their twisted purposes.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 28, 2015 - 08:51pm PT
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...so in comparison he didn't have it bad.
Another survivor made it because he could run a locomotive. He worked outside the camp during the day and was relatively well fed.
Then one day towards the end of the war, he was sent to a death camp. The interviewer asked him how he was treated compared to the labor camp. Quite well, he said. The food at the death camp was better and the guards were nicer.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Jan 28, 2015 - 09:23pm PT
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Gives you food for thought for who are the true villains.
Yes . . . the hypocrisy and deception run deep.
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mcolombo
Trad climber
Heidelberg, Germany
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Jan 29, 2015 - 12:31am PT
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there was one speaker who outlined the growing anti-semitism in Europe. Is that not where/how the Holocaust started? Isn't denial one of the first steps in that direction?
Where is this anti Semitism? Outside of a few right wing Nazi types and Muslim immigrants it does not exist, at least not here in Germany, I doubt it is different in most other Euro countries. I asked my best friend, a secular Jew from the Pfälz and he feels the same way.
Currently many Jews are moving to Germany to get out of Israel.
Of course in the Muslim population there seems to be an almost universal anti Zionist to Anti Semitism, but really this is being hugely over blown.
No go zones just do not exist, they are sketchy areas for sure but you can find those anywhere.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 29, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
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mcolombo: perhaps the reason people get concerned about this is because Hitler's rise to power began with "only" a few right wing Nazi types.
Isn't Germany supposed to have laws to prevent those scum from assembling in the first place?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 29, 2015 - 05:23pm PT
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Timid TopRope: What?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 29, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
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The Kaiser, an anti-semite, went into exile in the Netherlands in 1918 - long before Hitler came to power in 1933. I repeat... what?
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 29, 2015 - 06:48pm PT
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Timid TopRope: My respect to you for admitting the error - perhaps you were thinking of Hindenburg. Most people would agree that origins of the cancer of Nazism are complex, but the results, unfortunately, are beyond rational dispute.
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