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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 01:21pm PT
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Dingus, just yanking your chain. When you yank peoples chains, expect them to yank back! Have a happy holidays and don't get none on ya if ya know what I mean.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 01:53pm PT
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Old men always lose..... eventualy
Not to pollute a thread related to the prince of sciences (at least that seems to be what my physicist cousins believe) with an observation from the Dismal Science, but isn't that just another way of stating that famous Keynesian observation that "In the long run, we are all dead?"
I say this because it is my considered opinion, and one of my continuing ambitions, to prove that age and cunning beats youth and raw talent.
John
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2014 - 02:15pm PT
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JEleazarian,
Odysseus, upon his return from Troy, wagers to you [the suitor] if you can lift the bed of he and his wife, he will leave and you can have the beautiful wife. If you cannot lift it then you leave. What will you do, Strong Boy?
No mortal yet had lifted the bed in previous challenges.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 23, 2014 - 02:52pm PT
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Still, it does take teamwork in order for one to know that something smells fishy here.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 03:02pm PT
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actually the "moving the bed" challenge was Penelope's test to see if the beggar was Odysseus, after Odysseus and Telemachus and the two loyal servants dispatched the suitors (with the help of Athena).
maybe time to re-read The Odyssey? a much better use of time than prolonging this thread.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2014 - 03:11pm PT
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Ed,
it seems you keep coming back, and your time? You seem unable to apply your line of the value of time to your musings
And that all said, there is a reason why the bed could not be moved. Maybe you could reread the story? As I see it the reason the bed couldn't be moved is far more significant than for an internet traveler to quickly come point out part of my story was wrong.
Sigh!
My post to JEleazarian was a creation of mine using some historical facts of the Oddessy and the nature of the bed. You sleep you loose.
Please post something applicable if you want credit for the right reason why the bed could not be moved.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
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i've been out observing Diachea leucopodia (seems oddly appropriate for this thread), had a 12 mile ride on my Elliptigo, checked in on stuff going on at work...
and will begin to photomontage images from Yosemite for use in the new guide...
oh, The Odyssey isn't considered literal history, but it is a hell of a good story, including the part about the bed being made out of the live tree around which the bedroom was built.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
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6a : lacking intelligence : stupid
b : showing a lack of intelligence asking dumb questions
c : requiring no intelligence dumb luck
7: not having the capability to process data a dumb terminal
O.k., so Ed is calling me dumb, so now what?
If he is proven wrong what do I get to call him? Arrogant? Condescending? Or dumb (as in #7) for not being able to process the data logically, or more importantly, in a dynamic fashion.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
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did you even read my post Bluey?
people posting to that thread are anything but "dumb", at least in the first 5 senses of the word...
and actually, if I thought people were "dumb" in the 6th and 7th sense why would I post to the thread at all?
Dingus is the one that called you dumb... he may have a point.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 07:48pm PT
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Dingus is the one that called you dumb... he may have a point.
O.k., so you are calling me dumb. I don't read Dingus posts because he's vitriolic towards me, I can do nothing sensible to him.
I honestly haven't read the posts, but it seems you're using an inane definition of stupidity or "dumb-nes" to classify people who disagree with you.
That definition cannot be applied to such an argument as this, This is waaayyy too dynamic and, frankly, unproven, unsettled science.
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John M
climber
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Dec 23, 2014 - 08:15pm PT
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but it seems you're using an inane definition of stupidity or "dumbness" to classify people who disagree with you.
All that Ed did was copy the definition from merriam webster and then go through it line by line. Nothing inane about that.
I honestly haven't read the posts
You didn't read the thread, but you want to take what Ed said personally? Come on Blue..
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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I know where Ed comes from and he is indeed somewhat humble, somewhat.
But to drop the Merriam-Webster of 'dumb' on people displays an aura or utter disdain and arrogance. I assumed Ed the 'righteous' was above this kind of condescension.
Whatever. we'll continue to see things differently. Cheers, Ed, have a Merry Christmas!!!
EDIT: Yeah, the English language as defined by the Merriam Webster Dictionary is something to take personally, Steve.
It's those darned book learners spray painting "We're better than you" all over your Norman Rockwell poster again.
F*#k you, jim! You seem to have the same disdain in implying, not only that I am dumb, but that I don't understand what dumb is.
You people really think you're smart and precious, dont'ya!
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John M
climber
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Dec 23, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
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poor reasoning Blue.. He is arguing with Dingus Mcgee. Being precise with his words is important in those circumstances because Dingus likes to twist words.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 24, 2014 - 01:57am PT
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Somewhat? what the hell is that supposed to imply? I guess it depends on your definition of "humble" but I'll have to warn you....
get it wrong and you risk being labeled arrogant, for some reason.
do you comprehend the English language? It IS possible to show humility on some things and arrogance on others, hence, SOMEWHAT humble.
I dig Ed, and when it it comes to climbing and stuff he is utterly humble. But, like others, if you disagree with him on Global Warming you are quite quickly relegated to idiot, flat-earther status.
Whatever.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 05:54am PT
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Ed,
your way: search the internet -- post some non applicable text you found while surfing as if it were the Gospel and pin all answer. It seems your posts often lack thinking to analyse what is the key rebuttal here and they fail to be very relevant. How about taking some time to give us some though out answers?
How does a mortal [Odysseus] make a bed that no mortal can lift? Your last response to this was just more web text or a caricature of it.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 06:04am PT
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Bruce Kay,
We're just built for butt hurt!
Dabble all you want with the climate thread.
The butt hurt is in the billfold --- $$$. Getting people [countries] to reduce CO2 emisions is a daunting task.
Who gives a Fook if you could convince the Chief and others of anything? Winning them over is statistically insignificant.
It makes no dents in the real problem -- some would say a waste of time.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 06:19am PT
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bluering,
I don't read Dingus posts because he's vitriolic towards me, I can do nothing sensible to him.
Maybe so, but don't totally give up, I am changing some of the ways I respond. Sorry to hear you have seen it this way.
D
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 24, 2014 - 06:20am PT
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And some would say it isn't.
It's fractal of a larger challenge.
Now Whitney threads... There's a waste of time!
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 07:05am PT
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Jaybro,
the quash of the Chief.
Fractal or not? How much political clout does the Chief carry?
Some people have strategies for what they do. I guess with the climate thread the tactic is I will beat my head on the table and maybe I will convince these dumb heads they are wrong.
Where is my input and energy going to have the most effect? Not a consideration on that thread.
I don't think the Chief holds the key log in the log jam of preventing change.
We will form an army of persuaders-- about half the people in this country are Republicans and they watch their $$$. They are not wrong all the time.
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