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dirtbag
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Dec 18, 2014 - 09:36am PT
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Yes Ward, after 50 years, it is indisputable that the embargo has been a resounding success in ousting the Castros and bringing prosperity and freedom to the Cuban people.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 18, 2014 - 09:42am PT
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Won't be long before Citibank opens an office in Havana.
WASHINGTON, Oct. 18, 1982 — It has been 22 years since the revolutionary Government in Cuba expropriated 11 branch offices of the First National City Bank, since renamed Citibank.
A 21-year-old lawsuit growing out of that action finally reached the Supreme Court today as the Justices decided to hear the case. The Court's decision could determine not only Citibank's legal rights, but also those of other American companies faced with nationalization of their assets in other parts of the world.
The case is an appeal by Citibank from a decision by the Federal appeals court in New York. That court ruled that Cuba's Bank for Foreign Trade, which sued Citibank over a relatively minor commercial dispute in 1961, was not the ''alter ego'' of the Cuban Government and therefore could not be countersued by Citibank for the value of the expropriated bank branches.
For those willing and/or able to read:
http://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/19/business/justices-to-hear-citibank-cuba-case.html
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Ward Trotter
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Dec 18, 2014 - 09:44am PT
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"Embargo" get outta here.
The reason Cuba has been in a condition of miserable poverty the last 50 yrs. is because a dispicable,ruthless dictator holds sway there, added to it being the bitch of the Soviets until 20 years ago--not because of what the U.S. has or hasn't done.
The left has always harbored warm and fuzzy feelings for Castro. He is the hip tyrant out there. The fact that that he is a communist/socialist has always been an added bonus.
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apogee
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Dec 18, 2014 - 09:45am PT
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I heard an interesting recorded quote last night- it was Nixon, in a debate with Kennedy, regarding Kennedy's proposal to depose Castro directly. Nixon decried the idea, saying that it would result in disastrous consequences for US relations with other nations, and would likely get us kicked out of the UN.
Can you believe that quote? If you read it somewhere today, unattributed, you'd swear that it was some panty-waisted Democrat responding to a chickenhawk Republican.
My, how the world has changed.
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CA.Timothy
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California
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Dec 18, 2014 - 09:45am PT
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We should prob just attempt a 3rd assassination against the Castro's huh Ward.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Dec 18, 2014 - 09:45am PT
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Yup. Our retarded foreign policy became a little less retarded yesterday. Why should it be dictated by the former elites of a failed nation?
Fact is, human rights, in the era of unrestrained population growth, is a luxury we can't afford. We're gonna have to cut a deal with Iran at some point and Russia as well.
While we were clinging to the policies of the past, North Korea was telling us what to not watch this holiday weekend. A much more serious problem for the U.S.
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CA.Timothy
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California
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Dec 18, 2014 - 09:48am PT
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it was Nixon, in a debate with Kennedy, regarding Kennedy's proposal to depose Castro directly. Nixon decried the idea, saying that it would result in disastrous consequences for US relations with other nations, and would likely get us kicked out of the UN.
interesting point.
I am in the middle of watching the American Experience series put out by PBS and am on the 4 part JFK one.
The series highlights the fact that JFK's experience as the English ambassadors son in the 1930's, and the appeasement of Hitler really impacted his foreign policy. Some of his statements make it sound like Castro is the next Hitler. JFK was about as hard of a Cold Warrior as they made them.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 18, 2014 - 09:56am PT
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Will anyone be housing any? Romney has agreed to take a couple on a "trial" basis to operate his car garage elevator, thereby acing me out of a job. They work cheap or not at all.
Get ready for the Castros to unlock the prisons as they did during the Carter years, and to export millions of uneducated,poor, government-dependent future Democrat voters, which the taxpayer will be on the hook for. Get ready.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:11am PT
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Fidel died
By Alberto de la Cruz, on December 18, 2014, at 12:00 pm
Orlando Luis Pardo Lazo in Post Revolution Mondays:
Fidel Died
Cuban democracy has taken so long that now it seems we Cubans can wait for a little longer. President Obama, with his historical Cuban speech, is indeed recognizing the future rights of a leftist dictatorship that in turn never recognized the rights of Cuban citizens.
Yet, his Cuban counterpart, General Raul Castro, dressed in military uniform instead of his much more accustomed expensive suits, delivered a simultaneous speech so solemn that he sounded like in a funeral. It was obvious that this was his fraternal farewell to Fidel Castro, who cannot be part anymore of the Cuban equation in the new era opened today. I dare say that Fidel Castro has died and that the apocalyptic announcement may take place in the 56th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution, on January 1st.
Next, we’ll see in Cuba the masquerade of new investments and markets and local licenses for business and more access to internet and even an electoral reform, but private property will remain a myth and no fundamental freedoms are conceivable for Cubans while only one Communist Party keeps monopolizing all political life, with the State Security from the Ministry of the Interior as the real source of governance of a model based on secrecy and, of course, impunity to repression.
After decades of fostering terrorism, the Caribbean dictatorship is paving the path to a dynastic “dictatorcracy”, with second and third generation Castros perpetuated in position to lead this process without ever worrying about consulting the popular will. Thus, the Cuban self-transition from totalitarianism to State capitalism is under way with a new geopolitical ally: the United States of America. As such, Cuban democrats must re-schedule their expectations to live in a normal Cuba. This is the main consequence of the “normalization” of relations between the gerontocracy of the Revolution Square and a White House pushed both by the corporations and by the pro-Castro bias of the free press.
As for the Cuban exiles, thank you very much for what you’ve done for this great nation, yes, but your President Obama has just mentioned that effective Cubans are only the 11 million still under Castro’s rule on the Island. So, our world-wide free diaspora will remain excluded of their own nationality, at most invited to collaborate by sending their billions of dollars every year in remittances. What’s more, the Cuban Adjustment Act from 1966 is likely to be ineffective soon, so that the Cuban immigration will lose its special status in USA and the first deportations of illegal Cuban newcomers are conceivable to stop the stampede.
Last but not least, Cuban “civil society”, as Obama stated, seems no more interested in political opposition to the government and ultimately, in peacefully struggling to legally attain power. Reduced to the field of dissidence, their pro-democracy actions are limited to a digital catharsis that is perfectly tolerable for the new status quo of post-Castroism.
So, welcome to the real thing. Cuban democracy, like heaven, can wait. Like hell.
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apogee
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:11am PT
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"Get ready for the Castros to unlock the prisons as they did during the Carter years, and to export millions of uneducated,poor, government-dependent future Democrat voters, which the taxpayer will be on the hook for. Get ready."
I heard they all have Ebola, too. Can't remember where I heard it, though.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:14am PT
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Why should it be dictated by the former elites of a failed nation?
A failed nation.
There you go folks, I rest my case.
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apogee
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:18am PT
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They have Ebola, too.
Have you heard that, Ward?
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WBraun
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:22am PT
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Let us see .....
The Hilton hotel, Trump Tower etc etc will appear soon.
Gambling casinos will rise, prostitution drugs and mob will be back.
Good ole Yankee capitalism .......
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:23am PT
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Make your point and cut the phony baiting. This is the stuff you use on others.. Maybe you need to explore a new MO.
If you have a point to make about Cuba or Ebola then make it without the creepy baiting and without including my name and--- then I'll decide if I will respond.
On what?
Go back and read my posts and then use your imagination.
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apogee
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:29am PT
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OK, here's a point for you, Ward:
It's been 50 years since US policy was imposed on Cuba....and nothing has changed.
You know that saying about the definition of insanity? Repeating the same action, and expecting different results?
That's the point.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:34am PT
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You're getting better.
Now go back and eliminate my name ---and then your post will appear as if you are just putting your own well-considered views out there.
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apogee
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:37am PT
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What's your problem with including your name?
You wrote it, right?
Proper syntax usually includes the name of the person you are directing your response towards. (esp. important in forum contexts like this)
WTF is the problem?
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:45am PT
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Apogee the little whiner gettin schooled ......
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apogee
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Dec 18, 2014 - 10:48am PT
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WTF is the problem,Ward?
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