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High Fructose Corn Spirit
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Not that anyone asked....
Creating Change through Humanism
Foreword by Rebecca Goldstein
The insightful foreword...
http://tinyurl.com/gs3ecxs
Beliefs matter.
"Is it possible to be a person of integrity while maintaining a radical bifurcation between one’s outer and inner lives? And if that inner life should value rationality, free inquiry, and the right of us all to flourish to our fullest, then how can you keep silent about the conclusions to which your rational free inquiry has brought you? How can you deny for yourself the right to flourish in the company of like-minded people who will not disapprove of you for subjecting your beliefs and actions to the standards of rational accountability? If you believe in the integrity of your conclusions then you must show them to the world, making the case for them not only by the arguments you hash out in the privacy of your own mind but by the life that you publicly lead. There was a lot I had to overcome—not least of all that blasted female modesty—before I could follow through on this line of reasoning." -Rebecca Goldstein
http://thehumanist.com/magazine/january-february-2016/features/flourishing-company-like-minded-people
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cintune
climber
Bruce Berry's Econoline Van
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Guess I'll have to break out the 34" monitor.
Maybe put that link into a tinyurl?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Sorry,
http://tinyurl.com/gs3ecxs
"And if that inner life should value rationality, free inquiry, and the right of us all to flourish to our fullest, then how can you keep silent about the conclusions to which your rational free inquiry has brought you? How can you deny for yourself the right to flourish in the company of like-minded people who will not disapprove of you for subjecting your beliefs and actions to the standards of rational accountability? If you believe in the integrity of your conclusions then you must show them to the world..."
MikeL or WB won't, but imagine yourself this person in the current Islamic universe.
Did you do it?
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Is it (a) Can we transcend our origins? or (b) Can we live up to our origins?
How about both?
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jstan
climber
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Beliefs matter.
"Is it possible to be a person of integrity while maintaining a radical bifurcation between one’s outer
and inner lives? And if that inner life should value rationality, free inquiry, and the right of us all to
flourish to our fullest, then how can you keep silent about the conclusions to which your rational free
inquiry has brought you? How can you deny for yourself the right to flourish in the company of like-
minded people who will not disapprove of you for subjecting your beliefs and actions to the standards
of rational accountability? If you believe in the integrity of your conclusions then you must show them
to the world, making the case for them not only by the arguments you hash out in the privacy of your
own mind but by the life that you publicly lead. There was a lot I had to overcome—not least of all that
blasted female modesty—before I could follow through on this line of reasoning." -Rebecca Goldstein
There
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Here's a good one...
"Religion's something millions have died for so we can't give up on it."
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Just overheard from President Obama's speech;
"There is no greater show of love as for one man to lay down his own life to save that of his neighbors."
Is this just to queer of a concept for the men and women of Scientism's dogma to comprehend? "Incalculable" you say.
Well I deplore you to look toward your cousins in the animal kingdom. Will not the great Grizzly mamma fight to death to save her cubs from the stronger starving male Griz? Will not the female Lioness do the same to protect her young cubs from the mighty King of the jungles ominous jaw?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Will not the great Grizzly mamma fight to death to save her cubs...
yes, so didn't you just defeat your own (earlier?) mindset?
we get our morality through nature and nurture,
each a different layer.
c'mon, blu, you can do this.
Nice to see you're becoming something of a naturalist.
I consider this an important step in the modernization of one's beliefs to the extent it's required.
The Animal Kingdom has a lot to teach us.
Esp in the context of the Evolutionary Epic.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Seemingly fruity's morality is wrought through sight.
We may watch mamma bear kill papa bear to save cubby bear. And what revelation does this shed? Do we see mamma's love with papa dead? Shall we perceive love floating around in her head? After all papa's dead.
JStan has expressed, the only thing that matters is what we do.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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In my opinion, all you guys could stand a good dose of Buddhism. As Paul pointed out, there are many more religions than the Abrahamic. For those lacking faith, the Buddha said, "don't believe anything just because I tell you it's so, or it's tradition. Try it for yourself and see what works".
I just spent the past two days with Sherpa friends in Colorado and was reminded again how impoverished a purely material minded culture is compared to one based on a deeply ethical system, how much more multifaceted and in depth a person's character is when they focus on something besides the material. Sherpas also show us how It is possible to combine both. No one has made better progress out of material poverty or feudal backwardness than the super devout Sherpas.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Confucius say, Jan miss point.
Many have already had that "good dose" of Buddhism. And don't have a problem with it.
hfcs see Buddhism more as many others see it - as an education system rather than a religion.
Buddhism isn't even close to being problematic like Christianity and Islam, Islam and Christianity.
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WBraun
climber
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You still are insane HFCS.
It isn't religion nor Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc etc.
It's none other than YOU yourself.
YOU are clueless to who and what you are .......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Confucius say, Jan miss second point.
Religious criticism is a specialty like fighting cancer.
Jan unwise to point out to oncologist that there are many medical problems to medicine and health care, not just cancer. Oncologist know this already. Jan miss point that cancer is her chosen specialty, her chosen job. Next life she fight against other problem.
Confucius say, pick problem. Others pick other problems.
Takes village.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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"was reminded again how impoverished a purely material minded culture is compared to one based on a deeply ethical system, how much more multifaceted and in depth a person's character is when they focus on something besides the material."
Have we just been called shallow? with respect to ethics? with respect to facets of character? with respect to depth of character?
Are we mixing terms from different fields?
re: materialist
re: material-minded
Are you suggesting that a (atoms and molecules) materialist of the sciences is the same as the so-called (greedy) materialist of economics, commerce, and wealth building?
If so, you could stand a good dose of clarity; you might be missing something somewhere.
Or is this confusion - the joining together of these terms across separate fields - intentional?
This is a science thread, not an economics or "Lifestyles of the rich and famous" thread. Don't conflate them, it only looks foolish or disingenuous.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Fructose, I agree. We have different specialties. My problem with yours is the same I have with the religionists, you're advocating that we all should think and act like you.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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"you're advocating that we all should think and act like you." -jan
Yeah, that's what I'm doing. /sarc
Tell me do you people learn over in the liberal arts colleges in rhetoric and lit analysis etc etc to throw in hyperbole every other sentence?
Just throw it in. At every opportunity. Because it is so damn effective with the morons.
If the issues weren't so serious it would be hilarious.
But note Trump sure gets his traction from it.
I agree. We have different specialties.
I think you missed the point.
Entirely.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan, let's clear the air.
You say you teach evolution. So I take it you accept evolution?
So I take it you would NOT object to being called an "evolutionist"?
So you are pro-evolutionary, not anti-evolutionary?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I suppose it is possible one could teach evolution and still not believe in it... and still be anti-evolutionary.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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JR,
I wish I had the time presently.
http://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Insecurity-Message-Age-Anxiety/dp/0307741206/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452034283&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Wisdom+of+Insecurity
Looks like a good one. I've bookmarked it.
That's the problem with this info age.
Care to share with us a few of its salient ideas or principles?
We live in an age of unprecedented anxiety. Spending all our time trying to anticipate and plan for the future and to lamenting the past, we forget to embrace the here and now. We are so concerned with tomorrow that we forget to enjoy today.
Believe you me, if I didn't have to work 8 to 5... and if I weren't so infatuated with this info age, this innovation age and the goings on in the international community, I'd like nothing better than to simply embrace the now. But alas, I still have to pay the bills, today internet service, btw.
MikeL's fully immersed in the now though, I think.
I'm just not there yet.
Maybe in few years.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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fructose-
One person's reality is another person's hyperbole I guess.
If I didn't know you so well by now, I might get insulted but now I just chuckle to see what you will come up with next.
And yes, among other things you may call me an evolutionist.
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