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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 25, 2015 - 05:59pm PT
Absurdity is right

Right. Absurdity in the audacity that we understand each others language!

Like, Faith v Fact. What is that??

I see many "intellectuals" and Fruity's misuse the the word faith as to it's meaning to Christians. A Faith is a verb. A Fact is a noun. A belief is a noun. The book, if factual, should be titled, Belief v Fact. Faith anyway is an action word to the Christian. "To take, or make action according to one's belief's.


Fruity, If you would, could, can? Please exhibit to me with your super scientific intellectual intelligence your three distinct unique definitions as to the meanings of Proof, Fact, and Truth.
Without google Thank You ; )
Norton

Social climber
May 25, 2015 - 06:14pm PT
Like, Faith v Fact. What is that??


fact is that which is verified to be true, 2 plus 2 equals 4

faith according to Websters Dictionary is:

(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust


Faith as referred to a belief in gods is a "firm belief in that which there is no proof"
WBraun

climber
May 25, 2015 - 06:22pm PT
There is 100% proof that God exists.

Only stooopid people have no proof that God exists.

It's impossible not to see God and to un-prove God.

It's never ever been done.

Every living entity sees God with every breath.

Stooopid modern material scientists greatest contribution to the living entities on the planet is DEATH ......
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
May 25, 2015 - 06:34pm PT
I think you are giving modern material scientists too much credit, Werner.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 25, 2015 - 07:17pm PT
(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust

Is this what you think the bible means when it says "walking in the faith", Norton?

Webster gives the exact same def. for belief and faith. Trust with no proof. I agree with this as to the meaning of belief. I think your misconstrueing "faith" as only a believing in God, where I'm allowing a more secular open version.

IMO, everyone commits acts of faith. The guy in the bar that believes his Raiders are gonna defeat those Cowboys. Then spends the next 3hrs telling you so, is acting on faith.

I believe it when God tells me to love my enemies. Without action there is NO faith. That's why instead of saying f u to your rebuttle, like the animal in me wants. I am wholeheartedly writing a thoughtful response, because my mindfulness of my beliefs provided me with an alternative path. Deciding to take that alternative is a sign of my faith.

So the so-called unproven Truths from the bible are beliefs until I stand up and act on them. Then they become a part of my faith. Once that movement on faith begats a Truth from a said belief. I call that proof. The Spiritualist Meathod! Not much different from the scientific meathod.
WBraun

climber
May 25, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
The atheistic modern gross materialists are just like Monsanto ....

Stupid idiots ......
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
May 25, 2015 - 08:19pm PT
And, still, I hear nothing from you about the arrogance of the religious. The bible is their
"method". No comment there? The declining birth rate in Italy is persuasive data suggesting
even there the bible is subject to cherry picking. Any comments on this ongoing breakdown
of that "method"?

The difficulty for religion, myth, literature... these things really don't have a method in the same way science does. Arrogance? A universal human quality that allows for self validation and assurance... regrettable in any endeavor but hardly unique to religion. Impositions in religion are mostly functions of the dry necessities of politics. Like art, even science, political need is often the master, determining dogma and heresy for the sake of political hegemony.
jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
May 25, 2015 - 09:15pm PT
It’s one thing to be dealing with technology, math, and data for instrumental bourgeois purposes . . . (MikeL)

"BOURGEOIS: marked by a concern for material interests and respectability and a tendency toward mediocrity" (Websters)

Up with the proletariat! Workers of the World unite!

It’s another thing to use science to find truths (MikeL)

They key to understanding this, according to my science friends, it to accept as a literal truth that particles are composed of quarks and that quarks "have no physical distribution or extent" (JL)

Soul mates should be on the same page.


Christians know He has already come, on a donkey, and proclaimed to "love your enemies!" the Jews ego stood as a blockade to their hearts. They refused to love Gentiles then, and still today. They just call them Palestinian's and Iranian's now (Blu)

If I owned this website I would not tolerate this (inaccurate) religious bigotry. My humble opinion.
jstan

climber
May 25, 2015 - 09:48pm PT
Christians know He has already come, on a donkey, and proclaimed to "love your
enemies!" the Jews ego stood as a blockade to their hearts. They refused to love Gentiles
then, and still today. They just call them Palestinian's and Iranian's now

Impositions in religion are mostly functions of the dry necessities of politics.

So I guess we can crucify Jesus today for the same reasons, and burning people alive is OK
because only "dry necessities" are involved. And only those actually seeking knowledge get to
be called "arrogant."

We just lost 2000 years of progress. All in one thread.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 25, 2015 - 09:51pm PT
Hmmm. Bigotry?

Before you banquish me from this flat earth.

Respectfully I ask for you to show me the error in my ways.

I may have tried to say to much with to little words, my fault.

jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
May 25, 2015 - 10:03pm PT
My first wife was Jewish, and I detect antisemitism in your remarks. If I am wrong, my apologies. Perhaps another poster on this thread could offer an opinion. If none are forthcoming, then so be it.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 25, 2015 - 10:31pm PT
Sorry I don't wish to hold prejudice.

Actually the way the NT describes, i being born again are a Jew. A grafted one.

Also do you know the term Gentile is a reference to everyone that is not a Jew?

Maybe I should not condense it to Palestinian and Iranian : (

But the Jews legacy is that they shared communication with the one and only God. And ONLY through them could this God be known. Most still share that opinion today.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 25, 2015 - 10:48pm PT

How is your antisemitism doing, Blu?

My heart is white as snow. The Jews were Gods choosen people to be the recipents of the Law. One cannot be a Christian without sharing a Devine love for the Jewish people. Why do you think the US has supported Isreal all these yrs? It ain't cause of their hats!
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
May 25, 2015 - 11:36pm PT
So I guess we can crucify Jesus today for the same reasons, and burning people alive is OK
because only "dry necessities" are involved. And only those actually seeking knowledge get to
be called "arrogant."

My point is simply that politics trumps religion. What you abhor as the imposition of religious dogma is really religion in the service of political expediency. Those who seek knowledge may or may not be arrogant. Scientists may be arrogant; poets may be arrogant. But who thinks burning people is ok? I don't. Perhaps dirty rotten Islamists do or maybe nasty science guys designing nuclear weapons for Communist cities.
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
May 25, 2015 - 11:41pm PT
I once had a climbing partner who was a Mormon. I asked him if only Mormons could go to Heaven and if all others would be punished? He told me that it was so. I asked him why so many of the majority of religious peoples of the world would be caused to suffer because they didn't believe in the Mormon faith. He didn't have an answer.

I knew a man who preached the virtues of Christ and offered redemption. He then went home every Sunday and proceeded to beat his wife and kids. His wife had kept herself chaste for marriage only to find herself wed and tied to an abuser and she spent the remainder of her life trying to extricate herself and her children from this bad marriage. After her divorce she never remarried because of the trauma he had caused her. Also, she never was able to practice her faith again as she had before the marriage spoiled. Her husband's hypicracy had turned her off to religion and God for the rest of her life. Half of her kids no longer believed in religion after that either.

I wonder why people of religion overlook the screwed up sh#t and inequity that happens in the name of faith. Almost every congregation I belonged to in my childhood had one thing in common. It was full of people who practiced self righteous and arrogant piety. "See what Deacon Tommy did? He cheated on his wife and took drugs. He has fallen from grace and now has hepatitis."

His white shoes, leisure suit, and alligator skin belt won't save him now.

The bible was written by men who were flawed. There weren't any books in today's Christian bible that were written by women. It was because men of faith treated women and children like property. They practiced ritual animal sacrifice and stoning as a form of capital punishment. The bible is as flawed as the men who wrote it. Defend it if you will but I cannot.

To me, it is just another yoke of tyranny.

-bushman
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
May 25, 2015 - 11:59pm PT
To me, it is just another yoke of tyranny.

Life itself is a yoke of tyranny: corporeal matter enslaving mind/spirit...inescapable except in death... religion isn't tyranny it's reconciliation and consolation in the face of despair.
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
May 26, 2015 - 12:09am PT
Paul,
I disagree with that absolutely. My life experience with religion has been one of twelve years of believing in God, twenty years of blaming God, twenty years of not being sure at all of the existence of God, and the last five years of washing my hands of the idea that any God ever existed. And I'm just no longer interested in being convinced otherwise.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 26, 2015 - 12:25am PT
Not sure who here is the science illiterate hate monger advocating for woo? My best guess is his last name is Strawman.

I'm not a wooist and certainly not a hater and I've had plenty of science but I also see an arrogance in the practitioners of science that serves nobody very well. It's an arrogance that sometimes rivals the certainty of a religious zealot of any stripe. Given the strangeness of our being in this strangest of all possible places it seems remarkable that anyone can claim with certainty that their particular method of knowing will lead us to any kind of certain and final knowledge and that they can then say with perfect certainty there is no final term.

If it will bring about less strife as whether or not there is the existence of an exestential some-thing - that masterfully has no detectable anything, but is everything to everyone who believes
In it's existence, - Then. . .

WOOT WOOT

ALL HAIL WOO !

The things I do for this place!

G. O. D.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
May 26, 2015 - 12:44am PT
And I'm just no longer interested in being convinced otherwise.

Who wants to convince? There's a difference between belief and understanding. One can understand and respect without certain belief... but of course one can't escape the prevailing mystery.

And who doesn't have doubt in their mind? Science itself is predicated on the necessity of doubt. As well, faith too is predicated on doubt, for what would be the value of faith without the presence of doubt? Ironically, it's the believing disbeliever whose faith is most profound, most powerful.
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
May 26, 2015 - 01:41am PT
Yes, and from where comes that deep seated need to believe? Why so many believers? Why is belief and faith so ubiquitous in the human population? Faith is predicated on the absence of evidence otherwise it's not faith and there is no doubt a natural human inclination towards it...
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