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ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Oct 19, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
Judicial Watch confirming Hunter's ISIS story is on par with having Bernie Madoff vet Enron's financial statements.

Awesome! That made me laugh and almost spit out my coffee. Cheers!!!
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Oct 19, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
Someone oughta show Duncan Hunter some arms visible outside the truck.





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The San Diego Klan members paid $10 to join and usually met on the second Wednesday of every month. Faithful participants included Fred Crandall, a prosperous paint store owner, E. D. Goodwin, a mechanic who worked in Gilmore's Bicycle and Toy Store, W. J. Simpson and his wife Myrtle, Earl S. Barr, and John S. Burbank. Actually, these cardholders were hard working, thrifty, middle class church-going individuals. Nevertheless, the Klan used the Bible and the old concept of manifest destiny to see themselves as superior and Mexicans as inferior and in need of control. "Keep in mind that some harmless members envisioned a gregarious Klan, ignoring its grim horrors to those it detested," stated the attorney Carey McWilliams.

San Diego Klan participants formed their own traditions. V. Wayne Kenaston, Jr., whose parents were members of the Klan, reminisced, "If my memory serves me correctly, my mother made me a miniature Klan outfit with a little hood...."11 A number of women joined the Klan and were strongly encouraged to participate so as "to propagate in or through such meetings, either directly or indirectly..." the Klan's message.12 The San Diego Klan affiliates saw themselves as humanitarians, similar to other Klans who established schools and hospitals. The testimony of Kenaston, Jr., revealed white Catholic voters, mostly from the Blessed Sacrament Church on 56th and El Cajon, supported the Klan's political committee. As Kenaston, Jr., stated, "I'm wondering if, in San Diego, there were actually Catholic Klan members of the Klan, or whether they were referring to the fact that Klan members might have voted for the people that the Catholics might have liked." The Klan did influence some religious groups. In parts of Southern California, "Many [Catholics and Protestants] who were suspected of being Klansmen at first denied their affiliation, but when confronted with their official Klan and number and date of entry, they could do nothing but admit membership." Some of them were members of Catholic War Veterans and the Knights of Columbus.

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Anti-Mexican Activities in the 1920s and 1930s

Kenaston, Jr., somewhat disingenuously, avowed that the Klan never intimidated any ethnic groups even as he admitted that their main zeal was in "chasing the wetbacks across the border." Most Klan activities were clandestine, aimed at keeping recently arrived Mexicans from participating in community politics. As McWilliams noted, "They opposed white-collar jobs for Mexicans, who at one time were merchants or professionals in war-torn Mexico, and demanded a policy to force them into manual labor." Luisa Moreno, a labor union leader, stated, "The California Fruit Growers Exchange, the tuna cannery industry that had its base in San Diego, and other local businesses enthusiastically supported this concept."

There are some testimonies as to Klan activities by their intended victims. Kenaston, Jr. remembered that years ago east of 55th Street and El Cajon Boulevard, past College Avenue, there were lemon orchards. Among these citrus orchards in suburban San Diego and in the rural areas, Mexicans were occasionally discovered dead, sometimes disfigured by torture. An expatriated soldier of the Mexican Revolution, Mercedes Acasan Garcia, reminisced that in San Diego, "any Mexican worker who challenged authority or appeared suspicious of one thing or another would forfeit his life." Garcia, who was a young maid for Mrs. Alice Victoria Hamilton, recounted, "At first the Mexican field hands were curious at the sight of these strange men on horses shrouded with snowy gowns and huge, spotless cardboard hoods over their faces. Others had white cone shaped hoods to add height and also disguise their faces. They had painted red crosses on them." The workmen believed that they were pious Catholics who were penitents and wanted alms.

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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 19, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
The clan had three rules for membership then.

You had to be a Democrat,you couldn't be a Republican.


You couldn't be Jewish

You couldn't be black

The KKK, founded as the official terrorist wing of the Democrat party.



zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Oct 19, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
^Somebody said "official"? I guess I must have missed that.

Though, apparently from what is written, you couldn't be a Mexican or a "tuna" (Portuguese fisherman for the lame) and you needed ten bucks a month (in the 1920's).


May not be the whole story, eh?

Who in his right mind would argue with an "exalted cyclops" anyway?

TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Oct 19, 2014 - 04:54pm PT
Easier and cheaper to intimidate the masses with armed roadside inspections, build a big fence from TJ to Texas, as if that's going to stop them, to give the public the impression they're on it.

It's not about being cheaper, quite the opposite, there's a lot of pork required to build such a long fence.

As for all those claiming "unconstitutional" Libertarian BS, the fourth amendment protects against UNREASONABLE searches, and the Supreme Court acting under the powers defined in the constitution has determined that stopping a vehicle for brief questioning at fixed checkpoints is reasonable and constitutional. Get over it, but know your rights, they still cannot search your car without probable cause, and if you're worried about a dog trained to "alert" on command, don't expect sympathy from actual law-abiding citizens.

TE

zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Oct 19, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
^Probably better if you did a little research before posting. The agent in the video above does an almost OK job of summarizing it.

Reasonable? Won't be handled in the ST forum.

Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Oct 19, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
Here is the text:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]

So the fourth amendment is very clear. A search is unreasonable and your right against searches is secure And no warrant shall issue unless there is probable cause supported by oath or affirmation

PARTICULARLY DESCRIBING THE PLACE TO BE SEARCHED AND THE PERSONS OR THINGS TO BE SEIZED.

SO... there is no provision for you or you possessions to be searched because a dog wags its tail. The dog needs to be able to swear or affirm and list the items being searched for.

BEFORE THE SEARCH.


Any other search does not comply with the wording of the amendment.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Oct 19, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
Why would an Islamic terrorist able to travel by international air fly to Mexico and then crawl across the border with a bunch of Honduran 7 year-olds? Not saying the U.S. should not be vigilant, but it takes a special kind of stupid to think ISIS is amassing at our southern border.
john hansen

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2014 - 10:01pm PT
Glad this got the conversation going.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 28, 2014 - 07:52am PT
sorry that the cops are out of control

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they (the cop-holes) need to put in their place.

Not ONE, Ron?

Oh, you mean not one office holder?


These guys think they're gonna come through the US border
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NOT ONE - the fed are funding ISIS at the southern border...? see.. ?
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Not One
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you kill me...They're already here!!!!!
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 28, 2014 - 08:23am PT
its a principle, Ron.

The Constitution means something. When you waive the right, crazy sh#t happens to the best, most righteous among us.

Thought for sure you were one of those don't trample my rights types, but I was wrong.

Seems weak to not want to stand up for your rights when no one else will.

So, you want us to all just do what the government asks, no matter what?

Edit:
I watched 30 seconds of that. Some idget being 100% un co-operative with LEOS and you wonder why he is hassled?


 not gonna mention white privilege here...

Try it when you are poor... then we will see how easy life become for you..

We got the cops on one side saying "just give up your rights, everything is going to be fine"... Then we got Ron saying "just give up your rights, everything is going to be fine"... then you have many instances of people dying once they give up their rights....

Good wealthy white american answer to most everything...
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 28, 2014 - 08:34am PT
Like correction officers and for profit prisons. If they decide to hassle you they can f*#k with you even if you have done nothing wrong.

A police state.

 Responding to the OP, Ron.... let's not make this about you and me...

The sentiment of the OP is one thing....]
You seem to be telling him "As an american, you should just give up your rights everything will be fine...... Until it's not.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Oct 28, 2014 - 08:37am PT
I would hope even Ron and Blue and particularly Toker Villan would agree. What happened to moving about freely in the USA, minding your own business, with out having to justify your status as a US citizen?

  Back to the OP, Just giving up your rights is NOT what I am for.

Ron seems to be of the cop type, so he is will to give advise that may lead to bad consequences, and your rights being restricted or removed all together...

Post Read Edit:
just answering politely that you are a US citizen ISNT trampling on my rights what so ever.

 Just answering is an option, not an obligation... nor mandatory... is it?

Now IF they would have drawn guns, told the guy to get out and face the ground THEN asked him if he was a US citizen- I would have been on his side.

 So, if the police don't over-react and start pummeling people... then its not really force, right? Just give up your rights...? Right?


Going Back Through It Edit:
I hate to say it but I bet many of the Border Patrol people are ex military, Iraq / Afganistan vets where they feel they should have the power over the people.

 Yes, and because of the badge and the gun, anything goes... right Ron?


More Read Edit:
For whatever it's worth, I crossed into Canada on foot on the PCT at Manning Park and never saw a single LEO from either side of the border. Crossing back into the US, I handed my PCT exempt crossing form to the US border officer who asked "What in the hell am I supposed to do with this?" Thanks, tool.

 What do you call it when nobody knows what they are doing?

zBrown - Wins Best Video Award!!!

Tvash

climber
Seattle
Oct 28, 2014 - 11:09am PT
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