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john hansen
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 17, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
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Went though a couple of these the last few days. Even though I have nothing illegal I still get an adrenaline rush going thru a checkpoint were they have armed men with sniffing dogs stopping you out in the middle of no where. I understand the mindset that created these checkpoints but I feel like I am in a Nazi state when I have to go through one.
Like correction officers and for profit prisons. If they decide to hassle you they can f*#k with you even if you have done nothing wrong.
A police state.
I would hope even Ron and Blue and particularly Toker Villan would agree. What happened to moving about freely in the USA, minding your own business, with out having to justify your status as a US citizen?
Glad to be north of that stuff now, but it is scary the direction this is going.
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thebravecowboy
climber
hold on tight boys
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
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indeed, this is an interesting question to pose of folks that may have previously supported so-called "law and order" politickers/politics
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
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A Good Citizen would realize there is no reason to the leave the Homeland.
What are YOU up to?
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
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It's a rightful tradeoff isn't it?
If we want "border security", as in none of them job stealing, criminal, "illegals" getting in......
then we have to not only accept but fully support our tax dollars being spent on doing everything possible to prevent them getting in and that includes all Border Patrol Checkpoints.
It may be an inconvenience being stopped and hassled a bit but isn't all that effort worth it?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
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Look on Youtube for checkpoint adventures. It's out of control.
I was traveling out to Lake Morena near the border near Tecate a lot for a while.
Passed through the checkpoint repeatedly. It's easy to avoid getting hassled, but nevertheless the behavior of the people manning these checkpoints is by and large totally illegal.
I guess you have to pick your fights.
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john hansen
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2014 - 08:37pm PT
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When I am in southern Arizona I try to have at least two or three illegal
dudes in the trunk.
I wanted to ask the dog, what do Mexicans smell like?
That is Hansaan for you Milktoast .
Allah Akbar.
This is going to put me under a government watch.....
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Oct 17, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
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I agree. These unconstitutional checkpoints bother me. I also hate going through the I-80 ag station, which I sometimes have to do multiple times per day. They just wave me through, but it's still wear on my brake pads.
Speaking of adrenalin rushes while not doing anything, does anybody else ever feel oddly guilty when walking out of a grocery store after deciding to not buy anything?
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 17, 2014 - 09:00pm PT
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I wanted to ask the dog, what do Mexicans smell like?
LOL .....
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 17, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
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^Good point Willoughby. I was thinking of putting one of the "inventory tag" mag stickies on the bottom of my shoe and triggering the alarm system, but I've observed that no one even responds when the alarm goes off.
Better yet I'm gonna get some of that Mexican smell from one of my neighbors and rub it on my shoes (when I'm ready to get in a fight).
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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Oct 17, 2014 - 09:08pm PT
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Tioga nailed it !!!
Watched an 18 wheeler get the twice over off the side of the I-5 today. Four CHP's sitting around waiting for the K9 unit to arrive and give them the go ahead for "probable cause". Not that German shepherds are noted for their noses....
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john hansen
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2014 - 09:25pm PT
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Tioga,
"The dog's alert on command"
that's the problem....and true.
I am innocent, but they can do what ever they want. Detain me with no probable cause. Whatever. Tear my car apart. whatever...
No wonder Werner stay's in the Valley...
I hate to say it but I bet many of the Border Patrol people are ex military, Iraq / Afganistan vets where they feel they should have the power over the people.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 17, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
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ADAM-69 on the Mexican Border:
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David Plotnikoff
Mountain climber
Emerald Hills, CA
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Oct 17, 2014 - 10:12pm PT
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I, too, have spent a fair share of time at the southern end of the PCT, starting in Campo (San Diego County) at the border fence. The first 20-30 miles north from the border are an armed camp that seems ready for war at any moment. My wife and infant child were stopped several times. Since I was on foot (on the same paths used by the aliens) I avoided the police state scene. But the message, from the saturation of choppers and 4WDs all the way north to Warner Springs was unmistakable: You're not in the real US right now, you're in the marginal US where we have the benefit of applying martial law.
For whatever it's worth, I crossed into Canada on foot on the PCT at Manning Park and never saw a single LEO from either side of the border. Crossing back into the US, I handed my PCT exempt crossing form to the US border officer who asked "What in the hell am I supposed to do with this?" Thanks, tool.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Oct 17, 2014 - 10:42pm PT
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Are you serious---whining about this nation actually exercising the responsibility to monitor who or what crosses our border as being somehow on par with a Nazi state. Especially given the nature of the world we live in.
Are you that spoiled or that stupid , or both?
Probably both.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Oct 17, 2014 - 10:53pm PT
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Yeah ,imagine people complaining about the federal government not really enforcing the immigration laws. What is the world coming to.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Oct 17, 2014 - 10:56pm PT
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I've always heard about police corruption down there, but on an extended trip to Jalisco in 2000 I never saw abuse, or anything out of the ordinary.
I then traveled north from Colima to Tijuana on bus lines - you start seeing more checkpoints as you go north, could it be cuz us americans are the addicts buying all that weed etc from them?
In La Paz they search my luggage and found some climbing chalk, and questioned me, taste tested it, and waved me thru. No big deal.
Edit: OP is about Border Patrol checkpoints - I was talking about Mexican checkpoints- sorry for the drift.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Oct 17, 2014 - 11:09pm PT
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Well at least your honest in admitting it.
So , despite our laws they will continue largely to be ignored, in order to allow a relatively small group of people in this country to remain spoiled and stupid .
Sounds like a recipe for first world status in the foreseeable future.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 18, 2014 - 07:47am PT
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My experience with Border Patrol agents off the highway has been quite good. There are two of us dressed in hiking/running apparel and though checked out warily at first by them, they have all been pleasant and a few actually friendly. When we drove to the southern terminus of the PCT two agents on four-wheelers approached us as we neared the border, asked where we were going and actually guided us there.
IMO it is the checkpoints that are the problem and these are cowboys looking to score a big drug bust, not folks illegally in the U.S.
Both sides are lawyering up these days. Know your rights, but pick your fights carefully. Folks exercising their rights have had their windows bashed in and been dragged off to jail. They eventually prevail, but it is not what I would call "having a nice day".
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 18, 2014 - 08:08am PT
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A friend got popped by the Mounties when they discovered his gas tank was full of hash oil....That earned him some time in a Canadian prison..
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 18, 2014 - 08:21am PT
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^Proper hash oil shipping technique. No arrests to date to my knowledge.
or econo size
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 18, 2014 - 08:39am PT
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Heading to Vons...
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JimT
climber
Munich
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Oct 18, 2014 - 10:42am PT
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On our 2 week trip to the USA this year we (60+, caucasian males with English accents you can hear a mile off) got:-
Scanned and fingerprinted at immigration.
Stopped 4 times by Border Patrol.
Inspected twice by border patrol helis.
2 times by county sherriffs.
2 times by highway patrol.
Checked out once by park rangers.
It´s great being a visitor to the land of the free!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 18, 2014 - 01:07pm PT
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Gotta love the right - they scream 'protect the borders!!!' at the top of their lungs and then cry 'police state!!!' when they do...
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 18, 2014 - 02:47pm PT
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Puzzling, No?
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Oct 18, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
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I don't mind enforcing immigration and customs at the border (good fences make good neighbors), but US citizens traveling on highways within this country and getting stopped?
I agree that the BP officers off the highways seem like good guys, but the checkpoints are a hassle. What is the cost benefit?
A few years ago a friend commuted from East of the I-8 checkpoint. He was stopped nearly every morning. Minding his own business going to work to support his family. Made to feel like a criminal.
Meanwhile, another friend in Tuscon told me a couple of years ago that the whole Southern section of Sagauro National Park is off limits per the border patrol.
Security and liberty is a zero sum equation.
Many of the civil liberties suspended for the "War on Drugs" are also used by homeland security or the NSA.
Check out this comedians hilarious but also sobering take on civil forfeiture "laws", where your day in court never happens.
http://constitutionclub.ning.com/forum/topics/civil-forfeiture?xg_source=msg_mes_network
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 18, 2014 - 09:11pm PT
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I've always heard about police corruption down there...
The U.S. State Department released a warning about how police corruption in Mexico is "legendary, and true." Perhaps the state department should release a similar warning about the U.S.A.
I can tell you of many incidents of police corruption in the U.S. that I have witnessed, or been the victim of.
I have also had to bribe Mexico cops to stay out of slimy Mexican jails.
You may ask, why do I end up having to bribe my way out of jail? What was I doing wrong?
The only thing I was doing wrong was breathing within eye sight of corrupt police who were on the take.
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john hansen
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2014 - 10:10pm PT
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Willouby, I felt like I could be pulled over or inspected any time by the police force , weather it be BP or any LEO.
It just felt that all the rights to privacy and unreasonable search were taken away.
I am from Hawaii were things are pretty mellow.
I was shocked at the amount of police and border patrol precence there.
Nothing to hide , no contraband, but still, intimidating.
I wont be going back to SE Arizona soon ,even if the birding is good.
They say, if you have not done any thing wrong, or don't have any thing
on you ,then why worry.
I worry because they can throw you in Jail for no reason. F*#k the 4th amendment.
Again I understand the reasoning but these people are trained to suspect you of being on the wrong side of the law.
It is a mind set I do not want to relate too.
And don't even get me started on for profit prison systems....
Lets bust that guy... and make some money. We don't care if he is innocent.
I can't imagine being caught up in that sh#t.
It makes me want to stop traveling any where with in 100 miles of the southern border.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 18, 2014 - 10:37pm PT
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Don't you think it's the least bit curious that 10 ISIS operatives have been captured at the U.S. border by CHP and there are no names or perp walk? Those guys live for that stuff.
I'm calling pants on fire bogus.
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Oct 19, 2014 - 12:36am PT
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I lived in Sierra Vista for a couple of years and was stopped on the highway a couple
Of times at checkpoints on the highway north of town.
Always polite, no hassle even with a foreign accent......
I spent time hiking some of the main trails (and some obscure ones) in
The Huachucas, regularly coming across evidence of immigrants on foot.
Some of it indicating very small children were in the parties.
Once out of the mountains they had to use the highways and those choke points
Is where the border patrol chose to wait for them, rather than go looking in the hills.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 19, 2014 - 01:54am PT
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This link might explain whats going on at the borders. Yikes. Had to read about it in a Australian news site though.
It basically explains that a republican pol will stoop to any depths to fearmonger - not that that's a real surprise anything new...
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 19, 2014 - 01:54am PT
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I'm calling pants on fire bogus.
Duh - look at the source - Fox news.
Totally bogus.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 19, 2014 - 06:30am PT
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Nothing bogus about it at all
Congresman Beto O'Rourke called the border patrol threatening to fire whoever leaked this.
Islamic terrorists have entered the United States through the Mexican border and Homeland Security sources tell Judicial Watch that four have been apprehended in the last 36 hours by federal authorities and the Texas Department of Public Safety in McAllen and Pharr. http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/jw-confirms-4-isis-terrorists-arrested-texas-last-36-hours/
This has been corroborated by multiple sources in both DHS and TDPS that with their jobs threatened are still anonymous.
Federal law enforcement sources in El Paso say that a United States congressman called their office to prohibit contact with Judicial Watch in the aftermath of a disturbing story confirming that Islamic terrorists are operating in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez.
Sources tell JW that Beto O’Rourke, a Democrat who represents El Paso in the U.S. House of Representatives, telephoned the area offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and the U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) in an effort to identify—and evidently intimidate—sources that may have been used by JW. On August 29 JW reported that the militant group Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) is working in Juarez and planning to attack the United States with car bombs or other vehicle borne improvised explosive devices (VBIED).
In the piece JW cites high-level federal law enforcement, intelligence and other sources confirming that a warning bulletin for an imminent terrorist attack on the border has been issued. Agents across a number of Homeland Security, Justice and Defense agencies have all been placed on alert and instructed to aggressively work all possible leads and sources concerning this imminent terrorist threat. In the aftermath of JW’s story Ft. Bliss, an El Paso Army base near Juarez, increased security measures and the sheriff in Midland County Texas—located halfway between Ft. Worth and El Paso—confirmed that he received an alert bulletin warning from the feds that ISIS may have formed a terrorist cell in or near Juarez.
O’Rourke evidently believes that someone on the inside is feeding JW information because the facts in all our reporting have been correct, according to government sources with first-hand knowledge of the matter. “He called the El Paso offices of the FBI, HSI and USBP asking if anyone was talking to Judicial Watch,” one inside source told JW this week. O’Rourke’s calls were followed by a memo that came down through the chain of command threatening to terminate or criminally charge any agent who speaks to media of any kind. This would include JW, a nonprofit legal watchdog that has broken a number of government corruption stories on its website and newsletter.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/09/feds-el-paso-rep-orourke-called-ban-contact-jw/
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Oct 19, 2014 - 09:07am PT
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Locker- A neat Winter Do-it-yourself project: a Guillotine!?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 19, 2014 - 10:08am PT
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We were hunting and had arms obviously visible in the truck too.The agents were courteous and professional. We had zero problems or anything to complain about.
They most likely pissed their pants when approached by such a band of Comancheros. I'm thinking of filing a public records request for their dry cleaning receipts.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 19, 2014 - 10:47am PT
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This has been corroborated by multiple sources in both DHS and TDPS that with their jobs threatened are still anonymous.
The story says CHP. They aren't feds and the Feds can't touch them. No way the state cops are going to let the Feds take credit.
Pants on fire.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 19, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
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Judicial Watch confirming Hunter's ISIS story is on par with having Bernie Madoff vet Enron's financial statements. It's just another classic case of the right manufacturing bullshit that's validated by more rightwing bullshitters. Again, a circle-jerk that doesn't fool anyone outside of the ignorant base they already have in the bag.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 19, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
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Judicial Watch confirming Hunter's ISIS story is on par with having Bernie Madoff vet Enron's financial statements.
Awesome! That made me laugh and almost spit out my coffee. Cheers!!!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 19, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
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Someone oughta show Duncan Hunter some arms visible outside the truck.
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The San Diego Klan members paid $10 to join and usually met on the second Wednesday of every month. Faithful participants included Fred Crandall, a prosperous paint store owner, E. D. Goodwin, a mechanic who worked in Gilmore's Bicycle and Toy Store, W. J. Simpson and his wife Myrtle, Earl S. Barr, and John S. Burbank. Actually, these cardholders were hard working, thrifty, middle class church-going individuals. Nevertheless, the Klan used the Bible and the old concept of manifest destiny to see themselves as superior and Mexicans as inferior and in need of control. "Keep in mind that some harmless members envisioned a gregarious Klan, ignoring its grim horrors to those it detested," stated the attorney Carey McWilliams.
San Diego Klan participants formed their own traditions. V. Wayne Kenaston, Jr., whose parents were members of the Klan, reminisced, "If my memory serves me correctly, my mother made me a miniature Klan outfit with a little hood...."11 A number of women joined the Klan and were strongly encouraged to participate so as "to propagate in or through such meetings, either directly or indirectly..." the Klan's message.12 The San Diego Klan affiliates saw themselves as humanitarians, similar to other Klans who established schools and hospitals. The testimony of Kenaston, Jr., revealed white Catholic voters, mostly from the Blessed Sacrament Church on 56th and El Cajon, supported the Klan's political committee. As Kenaston, Jr., stated, "I'm wondering if, in San Diego, there were actually Catholic Klan members of the Klan, or whether they were referring to the fact that Klan members might have voted for the people that the Catholics might have liked." The Klan did influence some religious groups. In parts of Southern California, "Many [Catholics and Protestants] who were suspected of being Klansmen at first denied their affiliation, but when confronted with their official Klan and number and date of entry, they could do nothing but admit membership." Some of them were members of Catholic War Veterans and the Knights of Columbus.
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Anti-Mexican Activities in the 1920s and 1930s
Kenaston, Jr., somewhat disingenuously, avowed that the Klan never intimidated any ethnic groups even as he admitted that their main zeal was in "chasing the wetbacks across the border." Most Klan activities were clandestine, aimed at keeping recently arrived Mexicans from participating in community politics. As McWilliams noted, "They opposed white-collar jobs for Mexicans, who at one time were merchants or professionals in war-torn Mexico, and demanded a policy to force them into manual labor." Luisa Moreno, a labor union leader, stated, "The California Fruit Growers Exchange, the tuna cannery industry that had its base in San Diego, and other local businesses enthusiastically supported this concept."
There are some testimonies as to Klan activities by their intended victims. Kenaston, Jr. remembered that years ago east of 55th Street and El Cajon Boulevard, past College Avenue, there were lemon orchards. Among these citrus orchards in suburban San Diego and in the rural areas, Mexicans were occasionally discovered dead, sometimes disfigured by torture. An expatriated soldier of the Mexican Revolution, Mercedes Acasan Garcia, reminisced that in San Diego, "any Mexican worker who challenged authority or appeared suspicious of one thing or another would forfeit his life." Garcia, who was a young maid for Mrs. Alice Victoria Hamilton, recounted, "At first the Mexican field hands were curious at the sight of these strange men on horses shrouded with snowy gowns and huge, spotless cardboard hoods over their faces. Others had white cone shaped hoods to add height and also disguise their faces. They had painted red crosses on them." The workmen believed that they were pious Catholics who were penitents and wanted alms.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 19, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
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The clan had three rules for membership then.
You had to be a Democrat,you couldn't be a Republican.
You couldn't be Jewish
You couldn't be black
The KKK, founded as the official terrorist wing of the Democrat party.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 19, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
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^Somebody said "official"? I guess I must have missed that.
Though, apparently from what is written, you couldn't be a Mexican or a "tuna" (Portuguese fisherman for the lame) and you needed ten bucks a month (in the 1920's).
May not be the whole story, eh?
Who in his right mind would argue with an "exalted cyclops" anyway?
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Oct 19, 2014 - 04:54pm PT
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Easier and cheaper to intimidate the masses with armed roadside inspections, build a big fence from TJ to Texas, as if that's going to stop them, to give the public the impression they're on it.
It's not about being cheaper, quite the opposite, there's a lot of pork required to build such a long fence.
As for all those claiming "unconstitutional" Libertarian BS, the fourth amendment protects against UNREASONABLE searches, and the Supreme Court acting under the powers defined in the constitution has determined that stopping a vehicle for brief questioning at fixed checkpoints is reasonable and constitutional. Get over it, but know your rights, they still cannot search your car without probable cause, and if you're worried about a dog trained to "alert" on command, don't expect sympathy from actual law-abiding citizens.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 19, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
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^Probably better if you did a little research before posting. The agent in the video above does an almost OK job of summarizing it.
Reasonable? Won't be handled in the ST forum.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 19, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
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Here is the text:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]
So the fourth amendment is very clear. A search is unreasonable and your right against searches is secure And no warrant shall issue unless there is probable cause supported by oath or affirmation
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBING THE PLACE TO BE SEARCHED AND THE PERSONS OR THINGS TO BE SEIZED.
SO... there is no provision for you or you possessions to be searched because a dog wags its tail. The dog needs to be able to swear or affirm and list the items being searched for.
BEFORE THE SEARCH.
Any other search does not comply with the wording of the amendment.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Oct 19, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
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Why would an Islamic terrorist able to travel by international air fly to Mexico and then crawl across the border with a bunch of Honduran 7 year-olds? Not saying the U.S. should not be vigilant, but it takes a special kind of stupid to think ISIS is amassing at our southern border.
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john hansen
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2014 - 10:01pm PT
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Glad this got the conversation going.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 28, 2014 - 08:23am PT
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its a principle, Ron.
The Constitution means something. When you waive the right, crazy sh#t happens to the best, most righteous among us.
Thought for sure you were one of those don't trample my rights types, but I was wrong.
Seems weak to not want to stand up for your rights when no one else will.
So, you want us to all just do what the government asks, no matter what?
Edit:
I watched 30 seconds of that. Some idget being 100% un co-operative with LEOS and you wonder why he is hassled?
not gonna mention white privilege here...
Try it when you are poor... then we will see how easy life become for you..
We got the cops on one side saying "just give up your rights, everything is going to be fine"... Then we got Ron saying "just give up your rights, everything is going to be fine"... then you have many instances of people dying once they give up their rights....
Good wealthy white american answer to most everything...
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 28, 2014 - 08:34am PT
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Like correction officers and for profit prisons. If they decide to hassle you they can f*#k with you even if you have done nothing wrong.
A police state.
Responding to the OP, Ron.... let's not make this about you and me...
The sentiment of the OP is one thing....]
You seem to be telling him "As an american, you should just give up your rights everything will be fine...... Until it's not.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 28, 2014 - 08:37am PT
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I would hope even Ron and Blue and particularly Toker Villan would agree. What happened to moving about freely in the USA, minding your own business, with out having to justify your status as a US citizen?
Back to the OP, Just giving up your rights is NOT what I am for.
Ron seems to be of the cop type, so he is will to give advise that may lead to bad consequences, and your rights being restricted or removed all together...
Post Read Edit:
just answering politely that you are a US citizen ISNT trampling on my rights what so ever.
Just answering is an option, not an obligation... nor mandatory... is it?
Now IF they would have drawn guns, told the guy to get out and face the ground THEN asked him if he was a US citizen- I would have been on his side.
So, if the police don't over-react and start pummeling people... then its not really force, right? Just give up your rights...? Right?
Going Back Through It Edit:
I hate to say it but I bet many of the Border Patrol people are ex military, Iraq / Afganistan vets where they feel they should have the power over the people.
Yes, and because of the badge and the gun, anything goes... right Ron?
More Read Edit:
For whatever it's worth, I crossed into Canada on foot on the PCT at Manning Park and never saw a single LEO from either side of the border. Crossing back into the US, I handed my PCT exempt crossing form to the US border officer who asked "What in the hell am I supposed to do with this?" Thanks, tool.
What do you call it when nobody knows what they are doing?
zBrown - Wins Best Video Award!!!
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Oct 28, 2014 - 11:09am PT
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