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ron gomez

Trad climber

fallbrook,ca

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2014 - 05:29pm PT

Don't think Ronnie ever lead it. I think he was working it a few years back, but I'm not sure whether he's done the whole route.
Peace

ron gomez

Trad climber

fallbrook,ca

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2014 - 06:54pm PT

I got a bunch more but I shot them in vertical frame and when I try to upload on ST it puts the image in horizonal frame. Help??
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Kalimon

Social climber

Ridgway, CO

Sep 23, 2014 - 07:25pm PT

Thanks for sharing this Ron.

ron gomez

Trad climber

fallbrook,ca

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2014 - 07:25pm PT

Yeah if I only knew what you were talking about! I got as much computer skills as climbing skills!
Peace

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Sep 23, 2014 - 07:30pm PT

nice picture man!

TheSoloClimber

Trad climber

Vancouver

Sep 23, 2014 - 07:31pm PT

I had that problem when I was posting some pictures as well. If you open them on your computer, and take each picture and rotate it 360 degrees so that it is back at the proper orientation, then save it, it should post up properly.

ron gomez

Trad climber

fallbrook,ca

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 23, 2014 - 07:52pm PT

Many thanks Pyro!! If I load up the rest will you flip em? I had a great seat for the show

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber

extraordinaire

Sep 23, 2014 - 08:19pm PT

God dang, cool feature/ sequence.
Nice photo.

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Sep 24, 2014 - 05:12am PT

sure thing ron! post em up and ill flip em for u!

nah000

climber

canuckistan

Sep 24, 2014 - 05:16am PT

i liked le-bruce's question [regarding the b/y is to climbing as x is to y] because it lays bare part of what make our game so unique.

at first i couldn't come up with anything that was really analogous [initially, the closest i got is the bachar/yerian is to climbing as anal is to sex - ha!]

for me, this is because most other sports, arts, thinking disciplines, etc. don't leave direct objective remnants of our forebearers individuated paths that anyone can go and apply themselves to... does anybody go climb the sea of vapours with the exact same ice conditions as josephson and hendricks... does anyone have the opportunity to ski the same chute with the same conditions as the first descensionists... does a baseball hitter play against the same pitchers as 100 years ago...

on the other hand it's also not really analogous to a shot putter being able to use the same shot put as 50 years ago either... in that case there is nothing really unique required of the participant... they can either do it or not... there are almost no questions of style or artistry.

and on the other other hand what makes a science equation or piece of art great and a breakthrough isn't just pure difficulty... repainting a van gogh or being able to apply e=mc^2 isn't really relevant as compared with the original breakthrough... in those cases the original insight or advancement was the hurdle, and once that path was forged, following in the footsteps of that breakthrough isn't even remotely as difficult.

to me, the beauty about the bachar/yerian [and rock climbing in general] is that the route is right there in virtually the exact same state as it was when it was first climbed. there is essentially no cost to admission, no lengthy proving to former masters before one can gain access, just a rock that anyone can walk to the base of and start climbing... and once you start climbing you either succeed or you fail... and how one climbs it is as important as just climbing it... even if you "succeed" you can do it with 14000 mini traxion sessions and an elvis leg or you can walk up and do it on sight without using any of the bolts and one up even an old master like bachar himself...

how democratically beautiful is that? and how undemocratically beautiful is that?

and what a legacy to leave behind you...

i did finally come up with one though: the bachar/yerian is to climbing as a rachmoninoff piece is to piano playing [somebody with more music knowledge can figure out which exact piece]...

but so far it's the only direct analogy i can think of that really makes sense to me...

Jon Clark

climber

philadelphia

Sep 24, 2014 - 05:24am PT

Don't think Ronnie ever lead it. I think he was working it a few years back, but I'm not sure whether he's done the whole route.
Peace

I have trouble imagining someone with Ron Kauk's skillset needing to work the BY.

Jon Clark

climber

philadelphia

Sep 24, 2014 - 05:35am PT

...or you can walk up and do it on sight without using any of the bolts and one upping even an old master like bachar himself...

That did not happen. Ullrich led it twice using the bolts before his "tie off" attempt.

nah000

climber

canuckistan

Sep 24, 2014 - 05:38am PT

Jon Clark wrote: "That did not happen. Ullrich led it twice using the bolts before his "tie off" attempt."

keywords in my sentence are "you can"...

ie. i'm aware it hasn't happened... yet.

Jon Clark

climber

philadelphia

Sep 26, 2014 - 06:07am PT

Many thanks Pyro!! If I load up the rest will you flip em? I had a great seat for the show

I would really like to see any additional shots you have.

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Sep 26, 2014 - 06:59am PT

for me, this is because most other sports, arts, thinking disciplines, etc. don't leave direct objective remnants of our forebearers individuated paths that anyone can go and apply themselves to... does anybody go climb the sea of vapours with the exact same ice conditions as josephson and hendricks... does anyone have the opportunity to ski the same chute with the same conditions as the first descensionists... does a baseball hitter play against the same pitchers as 100 years ago...

Nahooo .... excellent point about climbing, boiled down to a coherent statement.

Ron... anymore photos?

FRUMY

Trad climber

Bishop,CA

Sep 26, 2014 - 11:17am PT

I wish you hadn't brought Baseball in to it.
Anybody that has made it to the pro level has seen hundreds of different Pitchers in their career, & most likely any & every pitch that has ever been thrown.
Baseball changes very slowly.

Climbs change. things break. Gear gets better.