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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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It's about what's selected for GDavis. When Harbaugh called him a great guy he was probably thinking about the great mayhem he dilivered on his field of combat.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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dilivered on his field of combat.
This is Football, jim. You've been in a War, you know this is nothing similar haha. If you've been playing since you were five years old, odds are it is a very normal thing. throwing punches maybe not normal, but having giant bodies beating you up day in day out... the reality of hard training in 'combat sports' (I'll throw football in there but it isn't) is so much different. A violent person is a violent person, and football is football. It's understood that the field is the place for violence, if he was 'confused' about it then its been 20 years of confusion that no one picked up.
Odds are, he's just a shitty human being.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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I do believe we are in agreement. Shitty, violent people come from all walks of life but I do believe that certain professions, by the nature of the skill set needed, would tend to attract a small but statistically significant increase in the number of violent prone people.....piano teachers vs. boxers for instance.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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I have to agree with the underlying idea of this post.
I too feel that football, at least in America (and almost all American sports in general) have gone to far with everything.
The marketing, commercials, culture...
like a religion I see no point in it. its all commercials...
I couldn't stand it much after grade school, but still paid attention enough to keep up with conversation, but no memorization of some constantly changing landscape of stats, numbers, name, values....
I guess I'm again showing my laziness of thought.... after all..... this is some super important entertainment!
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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On the roster, for regular season game.
Deal.
Internet shake.
I will probably forget about this, so hopefully you remember.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
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I did not have TV as a kid so did not start following football untill 87. The bar that I worked in got cable arround then and I got hooked on watching and following the game. LT was my hero. The giants/philly rivalry was a lot of fun because buddy Ryan was such a tool but you could hate the eagles and still respect players like Randel Cunningham and Reggie White. I even collected football cards. spent a bunch of mony on them as an adult... then Mark Bavaro went and played for Philly.. that was the first crack in the bubble. I had satalite for a few years and just got less intersted in the game. the players switched arround so much you could hardly keep track of who was on the team you were supposed to be rooting for.
Reading LT's autobiography really burst that bubble big time. all the press about the felons did not help. A few years ago the incident with LT and the battered under age hooker distanced me from the game even more.. then there was hernandez and Big ben etc,etc.. started remembering the players in high school who wore their jersys on game day and lorded over the rest of us and asked myself why do I like this game? many of the plays are wicked cool and many of the athletes do amazeing things. I am shure that lots of them are good people but it does seem like many are not.
As far as the Ray Rice incident goes I would guess that the powers that be had not seen the video untill today. it shure did not take long for them to act once the video came out. reading about a violent incident it is easy to not let your brain fully comprehend what happened. just brush it over and not really understand what the words mean. watching that video was 100 times more disturbing to me that reading the news story a few months ago. the way he casually draggs her out of the elevator like a dead body. creepy!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Our Gladiators act like Gladiators and we are SHOCKED?
Wasn't there a study some years back that tracked an uptick in wife-beatings by drunken jock sniffers following football games upset that their fantasy darkies had lost THE GAME?
So glad I shot my TV.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
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not shocked. just increasingly aware due to up to the min coverage on yahoo news. in the bgood old days you could get away with a lot more because news traveled slowly and often only in small circles. now if you do something stupid even if you are a no name it can go viral. heck there are stories about kids getting sent home from school for not meeting the dress code on the front page of yahoo.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Wasn't there a study some years back that tracked an uptick in wife-beatings by drunken jock sniffers following football games upset that their fantasy darkies had lost THE GAME?
Fantasy darkies?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 03:46pm PT
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so i watched the video again. she took several full swings at him with bad intent. Sad all the way arround.
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crankster
Trad climber
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I played it for all the years dudes headbanging.
That explains the weird, aggressive behavior.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Sad all the way arround."
"Ray and Janay got married one month after the attack."
"Sad all the way arround."
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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but... but...
They are BIG and SCARY! so it's WORSE right gusy???/
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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No action should be taken unless and until Mr. Rice is convicted in a court of law. I'm not sure what his contract says, but I imagine he is due to be paid his entire salary assuming he is ready, willing, and able to fulfill his employment obligations.
By the way, Mr. Rice stands a towering 5'8''!!
That does not give him an excuse to beat his girlfriend (although the self-defense angle must be explored), but come on, the guy's a speedy little munchkin, not the hulk that we probably envision when we think of a pro football player.
If anything, the guy's probably got a Napoleon Complex (short but makes a sh#t ton of money for his speedy running skills).
This should NOT be taken as any sort of approval or even acceptance of what he is ALLEGED to have done, but I don't like the idea of an employer acting as judge, jury, and executioner--we have a legal system that provides safeguards for accused, and we should let that take its course.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Bullsh#t, blahblah.
The NFL does not equal the US legal system & vice versa.
If the NFL feels Rice is in violation of their terms of play, they have every right to boot his ass to the curb. (The only mistake they made was not doing it sooner.)
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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If the NFL feels Rice is in violation of their terms of play, they have every right to boot his ass to the curb. (The only mistake they made was not doing it sooner.)
That depends on the terms of his contract and agreements between the players and the NFL, which I don't know anything about but I imagine neither you nor anyone else posting on here do either.
It's important to remember that Rice is not an employee at will where the team can fire him for any reason or no reason at all.
Most of us (non government workers at least) are employees at will; I'm not sure that's a good thing.
What's the rush to judgment, and why do you all feel that this guy's employer needs to mete out punishment? Do you all think you should be penalized by your employer if you have legal troubles that have nothing to do with your job?
Even ASSUMING this guy did what's been alleged, it has nothing to do with his job. Unless his ass is in jail on any given Sunday, he should be allowed to earn his living (which, remember, will also benefit his victim as they are married now!!).
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Ctrl+f'd to search for a tradman post calling (black) football players "thugs." Was not dissapointed.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Don't overlook the impact of the anti-NFL push being made by any number of Media outlets.
For better part of a year, the focus on impact concussions has caused many a "Concerned" Politician to jump on the football is bad bandwagon.
Now we/they get to throw violence against them po' womin' folk into the mix and another nail is driven into the coffin of Professional Football.
I give it 6 years before this sport is banned outright.
Besides, all of the California Majority Population Hispanic guys I work with prefer to play and watch Soccer - so what Legislation doesn't kill, changing Demographics will.
2020 will be a bad time for jock sniffers.
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