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Jon Beck
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Oceanside
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Players have gotten bigger faster and stronger. In the old days playing football was almost a hobby, up until the 60s I think most players had an off season job. I had a friend who played for the Bears during the leather helmet days (1940s), real men back then.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Roger goodforthenfl should lose his job over this. If the prosecutor saw it he should lose his job.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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The NFL is growing at a rapid clip actually. Fantasy sports and wider branding is bringing in more fans. Sigh.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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I'd guess the 60s and 70s were the most violent decades in NFL history. OK
I have an open mind. Can you back this up?
Let's not forget the NFL agreement (brought about by a lawsuit) to pay damages to the past NFL players with brain injuries. The agreement was annulled early this year by a judge because she thought the amount was insufficient.
When Brody rejected the initial settlement proposal in January, she expressed concern that the deal's centerpiece -- a $765 million fund for NFL retirees suffering from certain neurological afflictions, including dementia, Parkinson's and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) -- was too small to cover approximately 20,000 former players over a 65-year period When the NFL upped the ante they included so many loopholes it looks like swiss cheese
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/09/the-nfls-concussion-settlement-not-acceptable/379557/
There's now a gps/accelerometer gizmo for NFL players that records how quickly they accelerate/turn etc as a means of measuring their performance. So from your couch you can see just how fast your favorite wide receiver can twist, turn, catch the ball and dance into the end zone. Or your favorite tackle throws the quarterback on his head.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/07/30/metrics-sensor-shoulder-pads-zebra-speed-tracking/13382443/
But the gizmo isn't in the helmet where it could measure head impact forces. Can you guess why not?
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Is there a gizmo for Ray rices wife's head?
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WBraun
climber
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Oh for fuks sake.
Watch the fuking game or do not watch the fuking game if you're so fuking squeamish from dudes headbanging.
It's a great game.
I played it for all the years when I was in school.
I played it in Camp 4 and and in the meadows.
You people tax your brains over everything except what's really important.
Obviously ya don't know what's really important ......
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Just heard that Rice got the boot...permanently.
Hope he goes to jail, too.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Everyone likes to think this is a football problem.
not a domestic abuse problem.
Watch the video - she comes after him. Shame on BOTH of them, he should be in jail and she should take anger management classes. I see it all the time, abused kids grow up to hit other people.
Well, turns out hitting people is a really, really big problem. Is he a psychopath, or an angry violent person brought up thinking anger and violence solves problems? If she had a stronger arm would she have knocked him out instead?
If you have an issue with Football, it isn't with the NFL - it's with every high school and college that treats these guys like Gods. If you have a problem with Violence, then you have a problem with ALL violence. Domestic Abuse goes both ways, and here it went horrible for her, but they look like two peas in a pod...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Abuse victims stay with their abuser after repeated episodes so her marrying
him is not indicative of anything.
GO SEAHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, Deacon Jones, Jack Lambert, Jack Tatum, Joe Green and Dick "Night Train" Lane are a few of the badasses I remember. They weren't impeded by rules. It was about putting hte guy in the dirt. Make him question his continued participation. Good info
However, compare the sizes/weights/strengths of the players then with players now?
Somewhere there are studies of the kinetics of football player collisions.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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FYI - Bill Murray beats his wife.
Better not watch Caddyshack, either...
edit - Bill Cosby, Sean Penn (did you see Into the Wild?), Sean Connery... but yeah. Totally football. Let's ban football you guys, and not discuss domestic violence as a whole.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Abuse victims stay with their abuser after repeated episodes so her marrying
him is not indicative of anything."
Except that she may very well have been head injured before he knocked her out.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Yeah, this isn't directly about domestic violence, but it is about how the NFL & the Ravens would see this incident impact the business of football.
The history of their relationship is an incredibly sad, relatively minor backdrop to this whole shitfest.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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I stopped watching sport some 40 years ago when I realised there was no sport anymore. Just show business created for the masses to keep them busy. Otherwise they might have some free time for thinking. And that's dangerous!
Ding ding ding!!!
Somebody gets it!!
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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I'll make a bet right now this guy will be back playing in the league in < 3 years, ala Michael Vick. There's money to be made.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Condoned violence on the playing field is not always easily turned off.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Condoned violence on the playing field is not always easily turned off.
This is like a preacher saying that everyone is choosing not to be gay.
As someone who plays rough sports, and has for years, yes it is easily turned off. Violent behavior is violent behavior, and everyone who trains knows the difference between a willing participent and a victim. I train with professional fighters who are kinder and gentler than the majority of 'rock climber' dudes I've met, who incidentally are nicer than road cyclists...
Did he tackle her? Did he bock her from rushing? No, he threw a mean left hook. Something as a football player, he has no need to know how to do. He is a violent f*#k outside of football.
Maybe he had Marylin Manson CD's and violent video games at his house. Oh if only tangible things were so easy to blame...
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Yeah, I don't watch football either...
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