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CA.Timothy
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California
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im guessing you have not watched ESPN in the last 12 months
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 08:27am PT
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no i have not watched ESPN? I no longer have TV
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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What are the other parts?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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what is football?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 08:31am PT
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No team loyalty they just go where the money is best. one year you are supposed to hate a guy the next year he is on your team. the realization that many football players are bullies and thugs. they were in highschool and nothing seems to have changed.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 08:33am PT
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look how many rape alligations big ben has. where there is that much smoke there is fire....
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WBraun
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The irony of the American mind.
"I don't have a TV anymore and don't watch TV anymore"
Then they go onto the internet to TMZ ......
lol
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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not a sports guy but isn't 'alleged rapist' part of every pro athletes CV? right above 'doper?'
what's TMZ?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 08:40am PT
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a linked news story from my yahoo home page. i clicked it and that is where the video was.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 08:44am PT
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they are not all bad people but a heck of a lot of them seem to be. i used to idolize LT untill I read his book.... total ahole. A few years ago he had the chance to be a hero and help a young girl. he banged her instead.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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NFL = National Felons League
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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I love "I-don't-own-a-TV" guy . They casually drop this little nugget around where ever they go . Bravo !
You can come watch my 64" plasma 3D if you like ...
As for the NFL ... Go Niners!
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The Larry
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Moab, UT
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What? Bad people play sports? Bad people become cops? Bad join the priesthood? Bad people teach in our schools?
I think some good people do these things too.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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There have always been strong distinctions among participating in a sport simply for the doing of it (experience), being a spectator of a sport and living vicariously through others, and being a cognoscenti (a studied observer) of a sport. I think these distinctions existed back even before Grecian times, too.
It's a little difficult to complain about what sports are or aren't when most sports are battle gentrified and celebrated. I believe that's were sports came from, wasn't it? Wouldn't it be less damaging if (like "Rollerball") civilizations were to expunge their nationalistic desires (which are all only too human) through sports? Someone could do a cost-benefit analysis on that, I'd bet.
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Barbarian
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Are NFL teams required to have a dedicated parole officer on staff?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Fifteen YARDS!!!!
They should have given him the whole nine!
Asolos! He should've had heavy mountain boots, not weeenie wonder walkers. That would have gotten more ink, video, commentary.
Sandlot pussies.
Ray's got a big one coming someday for that punch, but why would someone who got treated like she did marry the d!ckhead? So she can divorce him and get half his damn money.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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but why would someone who got treated like she did marry the d!ckhead? So she can divorce him and get half his damn money. you beat me to it.
Whatever her motives to later marry him, his conduct is inexcusable, and likely criminal although you can bet it was the NFL clout that kept it out of court.
Rice and Palmer were arrested for assault after the incident but were cleared of criminal wrongdoing after participating in a program for first-time offenders.
We are surprised that a sport that has become progressively more violent on the field has players that behave violently off the field?
Are there any comparative stats for pro football vs basketball vs baseball vs soccer vs bicycle racing?
Then of course there's ice hockey.
Meh!
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bergbryce
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East Bay, CA
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My guess is a statistically significant portion of NFL players do the same thing regularly, this guy just got caught.
Football rewards very active aggression inflicted on others. And as a nation, we love it. Not surprisingly, we love guns and all kinds of other violent $hit too.
I've grown less and less interested in football and it's equally because of what the game represents, the players and all the damn' commercials.
This guy has a few thought provoking points on football, and others that are not so much.
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/31/the_nfls_toxic_lies_here_are_the_worst_excuses_fans_use_to_justify_watching_football/
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Players have gotten bigger faster and stronger. In the old days playing football was almost a hobby, up until the 60s I think most players had an off season job. I had a friend who played for the Bears during the leather helmet days (1940s), real men back then.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Roger goodforthenfl should lose his job over this. If the prosecutor saw it he should lose his job.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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The NFL is growing at a rapid clip actually. Fantasy sports and wider branding is bringing in more fans. Sigh.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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I'd guess the 60s and 70s were the most violent decades in NFL history. OK
I have an open mind. Can you back this up?
Let's not forget the NFL agreement (brought about by a lawsuit) to pay damages to the past NFL players with brain injuries. The agreement was annulled early this year by a judge because she thought the amount was insufficient.
When Brody rejected the initial settlement proposal in January, she expressed concern that the deal's centerpiece -- a $765 million fund for NFL retirees suffering from certain neurological afflictions, including dementia, Parkinson's and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) -- was too small to cover approximately 20,000 former players over a 65-year period When the NFL upped the ante they included so many loopholes it looks like swiss cheese
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/09/the-nfls-concussion-settlement-not-acceptable/379557/
There's now a gps/accelerometer gizmo for NFL players that records how quickly they accelerate/turn etc as a means of measuring their performance. So from your couch you can see just how fast your favorite wide receiver can twist, turn, catch the ball and dance into the end zone. Or your favorite tackle throws the quarterback on his head.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/07/30/metrics-sensor-shoulder-pads-zebra-speed-tracking/13382443/
But the gizmo isn't in the helmet where it could measure head impact forces. Can you guess why not?
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Is there a gizmo for Ray rices wife's head?
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WBraun
climber
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Oh for fuks sake.
Watch the fuking game or do not watch the fuking game if you're so fuking squeamish from dudes headbanging.
It's a great game.
I played it for all the years when I was in school.
I played it in Camp 4 and and in the meadows.
You people tax your brains over everything except what's really important.
Obviously ya don't know what's really important ......
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apogee
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Just heard that Rice got the boot...permanently.
Hope he goes to jail, too.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Everyone likes to think this is a football problem.
not a domestic abuse problem.
Watch the video - she comes after him. Shame on BOTH of them, he should be in jail and she should take anger management classes. I see it all the time, abused kids grow up to hit other people.
Well, turns out hitting people is a really, really big problem. Is he a psychopath, or an angry violent person brought up thinking anger and violence solves problems? If she had a stronger arm would she have knocked him out instead?
If you have an issue with Football, it isn't with the NFL - it's with every high school and college that treats these guys like Gods. If you have a problem with Violence, then you have a problem with ALL violence. Domestic Abuse goes both ways, and here it went horrible for her, but they look like two peas in a pod...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Abuse victims stay with their abuser after repeated episodes so her marrying
him is not indicative of anything.
GO SEAHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, Deacon Jones, Jack Lambert, Jack Tatum, Joe Green and Dick "Night Train" Lane are a few of the badasses I remember. They weren't impeded by rules. It was about putting hte guy in the dirt. Make him question his continued participation. Good info
However, compare the sizes/weights/strengths of the players then with players now?
Somewhere there are studies of the kinetics of football player collisions.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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FYI - Bill Murray beats his wife.
Better not watch Caddyshack, either...
edit - Bill Cosby, Sean Penn (did you see Into the Wild?), Sean Connery... but yeah. Totally football. Let's ban football you guys, and not discuss domestic violence as a whole.
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apogee
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"Abuse victims stay with their abuser after repeated episodes so her marrying
him is not indicative of anything."
Except that she may very well have been head injured before he knocked her out.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Yeah, this isn't directly about domestic violence, but it is about how the NFL & the Ravens would see this incident impact the business of football.
The history of their relationship is an incredibly sad, relatively minor backdrop to this whole shitfest.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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I stopped watching sport some 40 years ago when I realised there was no sport anymore. Just show business created for the masses to keep them busy. Otherwise they might have some free time for thinking. And that's dangerous!
Ding ding ding!!!
Somebody gets it!!
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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I'll make a bet right now this guy will be back playing in the league in < 3 years, ala Michael Vick. There's money to be made.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Condoned violence on the playing field is not always easily turned off.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Condoned violence on the playing field is not always easily turned off.
This is like a preacher saying that everyone is choosing not to be gay.
As someone who plays rough sports, and has for years, yes it is easily turned off. Violent behavior is violent behavior, and everyone who trains knows the difference between a willing participent and a victim. I train with professional fighters who are kinder and gentler than the majority of 'rock climber' dudes I've met, who incidentally are nicer than road cyclists...
Did he tackle her? Did he bock her from rushing? No, he threw a mean left hook. Something as a football player, he has no need to know how to do. He is a violent f*#k outside of football.
Maybe he had Marylin Manson CD's and violent video games at his house. Oh if only tangible things were so easy to blame...
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Yeah, I don't watch football either...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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It's about what's selected for GDavis. When Harbaugh called him a great guy he was probably thinking about the great mayhem he dilivered on his field of combat.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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dilivered on his field of combat.
This is Football, jim. You've been in a War, you know this is nothing similar haha. If you've been playing since you were five years old, odds are it is a very normal thing. throwing punches maybe not normal, but having giant bodies beating you up day in day out... the reality of hard training in 'combat sports' (I'll throw football in there but it isn't) is so much different. A violent person is a violent person, and football is football. It's understood that the field is the place for violence, if he was 'confused' about it then its been 20 years of confusion that no one picked up.
Odds are, he's just a shitty human being.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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I do believe we are in agreement. Shitty, violent people come from all walks of life but I do believe that certain professions, by the nature of the skill set needed, would tend to attract a small but statistically significant increase in the number of violent prone people.....piano teachers vs. boxers for instance.
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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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I have to agree with the underlying idea of this post.
I too feel that football, at least in America (and almost all American sports in general) have gone to far with everything.
The marketing, commercials, culture...
like a religion I see no point in it. its all commercials...
I couldn't stand it much after grade school, but still paid attention enough to keep up with conversation, but no memorization of some constantly changing landscape of stats, numbers, name, values....
I guess I'm again showing my laziness of thought.... after all..... this is some super important entertainment!
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bergbryce
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East Bay, CA
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On the roster, for regular season game.
Deal.
Internet shake.
I will probably forget about this, so hopefully you remember.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
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I did not have TV as a kid so did not start following football untill 87. The bar that I worked in got cable arround then and I got hooked on watching and following the game. LT was my hero. The giants/philly rivalry was a lot of fun because buddy Ryan was such a tool but you could hate the eagles and still respect players like Randel Cunningham and Reggie White. I even collected football cards. spent a bunch of mony on them as an adult... then Mark Bavaro went and played for Philly.. that was the first crack in the bubble. I had satalite for a few years and just got less intersted in the game. the players switched arround so much you could hardly keep track of who was on the team you were supposed to be rooting for.
Reading LT's autobiography really burst that bubble big time. all the press about the felons did not help. A few years ago the incident with LT and the battered under age hooker distanced me from the game even more.. then there was hernandez and Big ben etc,etc.. started remembering the players in high school who wore their jersys on game day and lorded over the rest of us and asked myself why do I like this game? many of the plays are wicked cool and many of the athletes do amazeing things. I am shure that lots of them are good people but it does seem like many are not.
As far as the Ray Rice incident goes I would guess that the powers that be had not seen the video untill today. it shure did not take long for them to act once the video came out. reading about a violent incident it is easy to not let your brain fully comprehend what happened. just brush it over and not really understand what the words mean. watching that video was 100 times more disturbing to me that reading the news story a few months ago. the way he casually draggs her out of the elevator like a dead body. creepy!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Our Gladiators act like Gladiators and we are SHOCKED?
Wasn't there a study some years back that tracked an uptick in wife-beatings by drunken jock sniffers following football games upset that their fantasy darkies had lost THE GAME?
So glad I shot my TV.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
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not shocked. just increasingly aware due to up to the min coverage on yahoo news. in the bgood old days you could get away with a lot more because news traveled slowly and often only in small circles. now if you do something stupid even if you are a no name it can go viral. heck there are stories about kids getting sent home from school for not meeting the dress code on the front page of yahoo.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Wasn't there a study some years back that tracked an uptick in wife-beatings by drunken jock sniffers following football games upset that their fantasy darkies had lost THE GAME?
Fantasy darkies?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 03:46pm PT
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so i watched the video again. she took several full swings at him with bad intent. Sad all the way arround.
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crankster
Trad climber
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I played it for all the years dudes headbanging.
That explains the weird, aggressive behavior.
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apogee
climber
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"Sad all the way arround."
"Ray and Janay got married one month after the attack."
"Sad all the way arround."
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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but... but...
They are BIG and SCARY! so it's WORSE right gusy???/
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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No action should be taken unless and until Mr. Rice is convicted in a court of law. I'm not sure what his contract says, but I imagine he is due to be paid his entire salary assuming he is ready, willing, and able to fulfill his employment obligations.
By the way, Mr. Rice stands a towering 5'8''!!
That does not give him an excuse to beat his girlfriend (although the self-defense angle must be explored), but come on, the guy's a speedy little munchkin, not the hulk that we probably envision when we think of a pro football player.
If anything, the guy's probably got a Napoleon Complex (short but makes a sh#t ton of money for his speedy running skills).
This should NOT be taken as any sort of approval or even acceptance of what he is ALLEGED to have done, but I don't like the idea of an employer acting as judge, jury, and executioner--we have a legal system that provides safeguards for accused, and we should let that take its course.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Bullsh#t, blahblah.
The NFL does not equal the US legal system & vice versa.
If the NFL feels Rice is in violation of their terms of play, they have every right to boot his ass to the curb. (The only mistake they made was not doing it sooner.)
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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If the NFL feels Rice is in violation of their terms of play, they have every right to boot his ass to the curb. (The only mistake they made was not doing it sooner.)
That depends on the terms of his contract and agreements between the players and the NFL, which I don't know anything about but I imagine neither you nor anyone else posting on here do either.
It's important to remember that Rice is not an employee at will where the team can fire him for any reason or no reason at all.
Most of us (non government workers at least) are employees at will; I'm not sure that's a good thing.
What's the rush to judgment, and why do you all feel that this guy's employer needs to mete out punishment? Do you all think you should be penalized by your employer if you have legal troubles that have nothing to do with your job?
Even ASSUMING this guy did what's been alleged, it has nothing to do with his job. Unless his ass is in jail on any given Sunday, he should be allowed to earn his living (which, remember, will also benefit his victim as they are married now!!).
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Ctrl+f'd to search for a tradman post calling (black) football players "thugs." Was not dissapointed.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Don't overlook the impact of the anti-NFL push being made by any number of Media outlets.
For better part of a year, the focus on impact concussions has caused many a "Concerned" Politician to jump on the football is bad bandwagon.
Now we/they get to throw violence against them po' womin' folk into the mix and another nail is driven into the coffin of Professional Football.
I give it 6 years before this sport is banned outright.
Besides, all of the California Majority Population Hispanic guys I work with prefer to play and watch Soccer - so what Legislation doesn't kill, changing Demographics will.
2020 will be a bad time for jock sniffers.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Gdavis:
Great comments all around by you.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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I no longer watch NFL because thanks to World Cup 2010 and 2014, I only appreciate the subtle beauty of drawn-out 1-nil games between the likes of one country that ends with -guay and another ending in -guay, and that the announcers have beautiful diction, and there are far, far fewer advertisements jarring my psyche.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
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desert. never once called black foot ball players thugs. that is your own interpretation of what i wrote. I called football players thugs with zero refrence to race. I even named a promonent white player as one of those thugs.
If you look carefully at the video you will see that she threw several pretty good real punches at Ray. he slipped and counter punched like he was fighing a real threat. overkill X 10
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Ray Rice. Abusive husband or victim of the long con?
Pro players get a nice chunk of change and
are prime targets for calculating gold diggers.
After the marriage ring is securely on her finger the sweet
girl act can be dispensed with. Then the nonstop emotional
button pushing commences in earnest. Its only goal: to spend
every cent the guy makes living the high life, either with him
or without him.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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[Click to View YouTube Video] cleat to the face!!
fukkin' awesome!!!!!!!!!11111111 NFL 4-evah!!!!!!!11111111111111 Euro-fagguhtz suck it
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Pro players get a nice chunk of change and
are prime targets for calculating gold diggers.
That is a bit of a myth. It require some time invested in the marriage before she gets a payday.
Brian Giles (SD Padre) got sued by his crazy ex. She got nothing, That did not scare Chuck Knoblauch away from her. She must have been a really good cook.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Brian Giles.
Man, I laughed.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Jim: . . . every boy got the sit down with their dad or mother around 12 years old, where it was explained that girls are not boys.
Perhaps.
I don't find it easy to say whether the person or the environment is to blame.
It's my intention not to harm others, and I hope that others would share the same intentions--not for my own enlightenment, but for their own. Whether that's how it turns out, who knows and who can predict? The jungle cat may not eat you as the expression of a virtue, but if the conditions are right, it will. Karma needs to be taken into account.
Shantideva said something to the effect of: "who should I blame . . . the sword or the swordsman for wounding me?" What matters are intentions, not whether someone committed a transgression. As for intentions, who can say?
All we can do, I suppose, is for each of us to judge our own hearts. If we see that our behaviors expose a pattern of cruelty and hatred, then we can change our intentions, and after a while, things may change. If they don't, then we may come to believe that expression (evil, cruelty, hatred) is what we have temporarily become.
Change is always an inside job, Jim, even when we respond to public and peer pressure.
I can't speak for anyone else, but here is one of my stories. In a past marriage, my wife had a slew of environmental allergies that could lead to crying, anger, lashing out, and depression. The stimulants were varied: formalin, yeast, chocolate, alcohol, pollution, sugar, caffeine, and others. Her father and mother (a medical doctor, and Ph.D. in biology) told me that her reactions were not her. I believed them and tried to be understanding. But my ex-wife knew exactly what buttons to push in me, and one day I found myself with my hands around her throat holding her a foot off the floor against a wall. I knew then that it was over. I did not want things to get to that place, but they did. That was not my intention, but karma had put me in that place, and so she and I had to leave each other. I learned a lesson about myself.
You can have that conversation with mom or dad, sure. At the end of the day (and here is where I think I'm resonating with GDavis), it's your intentions that will take you where you want to go and be. Behaviors and events will point the way, but they are not the final arbiters. It's your heart that matters, not your brain. Tend to your heart.
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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More reasons to not watch, even tho it's still a good spectator sport.
1) The goal of a college athletic scholarship massively distorts education incentives and outcomes for millions. But what do taxpayers get out of these scholarships so that someone gets special meals, travel around the country, and neglects their education so now we pay for a tutor also?
What we get is now we're supposed to PAY them directly since they think they are EMPLOYEES!
It's Absurd!
The answer to them neglecting their education is to ELIMINATE athletic scholarships. College should be about EDUCATION, (as should high school and all school). If you want to play sports in college, it should be for everyone --> Intramurals or club sports. If you want more, Go start a minor league for 19-22 year olds to play football or basketball, and see how much money you make.
2) It's a stupid game to actually play, unless you are one of the stars. Mainly you just ram yourself into people. Why does being big and tall equate to being an athelete?
3) Massive taxpayer subsidies for stadiums and luxury boxes (corporate entertainment deductions). These also are the driving factor behind huge pro salaries, which cause a terrible incentive to kids who waste their time over-pursuing sports and neglecting school.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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so stop and think about this. if this dude was gay, and it was his bf hitting him and then he nfl dude punches him out, is it still domestic violence? or is he standing up for hisself?
perhaps a left hook was unjustified but the bitch deserved a slap at least.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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uh, i think you missed the point. she hit him at least three times before he decked her. not saying its right, but if that were a dude then it would be self defense.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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lots of acquittals involving a 250 pound male policeman who was afraid for his life and crushed a 130 pound female
no doubt these thugs are coached to parrot that line by union or counsel. It's disgusting. In my woods, a cop just made that defense after being "threatened" by a rock-wielding individual. Now, I don't know of too many cops who have been killed by rock over the years. I'm guessing it's virtually zero.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Why does being big and tall equate to being an athelete?
Well that's the way most sports work -- new US Open tennis champion is a 6'6'' Croatian giant who serves the ball at 150 mph or something (not quite that fast).
But the protagonist of this thread, the pint-sized Mr. Rice, is a diminutive 5'8''. That's not an excuse for him to beat up a woman, but some of you are imagining an NFL behemoth that isn't relevant to this incident (the NFL stereotype is often reality, many of those guys are enormous, but Rice isn't one of those guys).
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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The reason tennis players are now tall is because high tech rackets have effed up the game completely.
Tennis used to be mainly skill.
Now it's a lame game of power and racket speed.
It is just as if baseball allowed carbon fiber elastic superbats.
If they still had to play with a wooden racket, height wouldn't really matter.
Who's the better athelete:
McEnroe / Agassi / Borg / Connors / Chang / etc.
or this Croatian tall boy?
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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The reason tennis players are now tall is because high tech rackets have effed up the game completely.
Tennis used to be mainly skill.
agreed. I have no interest in watching thugs shoot out from the baseline.
Borg-McEnroe was the pinnacle of tennis, maybe even the pinnacle of Sport.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Did you know Janay Palmer has a black belt in martial arts.
Watching the full video you see them both waiting for
an elevator to arrive.
Janay Palmer suddenly karate chops Ray Rice in the throat.
Janay Palmer then angrily walks into the elevator. Ray Rice walks
nonchalantly in after her. Now inside the elevator Janay lashes out again
with her left hand again, trying to hit Ray in the throat or eyes.
Ray immediately retreats defensively to the far side of the elevator
but Janay follows him. Janay has her right fist cocked ready
to punch as she clearly brings her right knee up to smash Ray's nuts.
She's fast. She's using combination strikes.
Unable to retreat any further Ray Rice hits her.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Did you know Janay Palmer has a black belt in martial arts.
When I hear someone has "A Black belt in martial arts" it sounds exactly like "They are a free climber." It could mean something, but it probably doesn't.
(By the looks of the video, those responses were all fairly normal. He looked like a guy who got swung on by his lady OFTEN. Maybe she developed that as a defense mechanism, strike first before the bigger guy hits you? either way, terrible.)
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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The issue exists outside of Football - I am a huge fan of mixed martial arts and train myself a bit, which has even WORSE blow back in the media for athletes acting violently.
Anybody can abuse anyone if put in the right situation. I've seen giant men pushed around by tiny women and we obviously see cases the other way around.
By painting it as a 'football' problem, by saying that these actions are worse or somehow only happening by the acts of giant alpha males, you are doing incredible damage to the reality of domestic abuse. The NFL should boot him (I believe they did?) and their mishandling of the situation as it arose last winter is appalling, I agree - however I see two seperate conversations. We have apogee, who notes what I just said, that the NFL should have strict codes of conduct.
Then we have the mob with pitch forks, who wanted to ban Marilyn Manson and Duke Nukem video games after Columbine.
It would be great if this was a giant monster who was violent, an alien who screams "Ooga booga!" and is an easy target. It hurts more to know that it was a person, not just who did the hitting but who got hit. You probably know someone in an abusive relationship right now. Who will you blame for them?
Bottom line - show your sons and daughters that they are so goddamn important, so f*#king loved that they will never stand for someone to treat them that way. That's all we can do.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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This thread is over. Splater wins for the Bjorn Borg reference.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 9, 2014 - 03:19am PT
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The first time you watch that video it is horrifying. watch it several more times with a trained fighters eye and she actually did throw some decent blows his way with bad intent. he slipped them like a pro and countered like a pro. The right thing to do would have been to slip and clinch, tie her up and try to calm her down. the whole dragging thing is pretty bad but we do not have sound so we don't know what his intent and emotions were. the guy could have been crying and distraught and just not knowing how to deal with the situation or he could have been the indifrent pissed off dude he looks like in the video.
I have sparred enough women black belts to know it is a total PINTA lose lose situation. they can hurt you and often try but if you fight them like a fighter you look like a total a hole. I would usually try to grappel them and go for a submission if they were trying to fight me full tilt. One time I did drop a female black belt with a left hook and i felt like a total tool. it was super relaxed and smooth about 1/64th power but perfect timeing. we were not spareing hard and i did not throw it hard. i was completly relaxed and loose and just going through the motions and it was perfect form and perfect timeing and though not a knock out it dropped her. I felt like a total jerk. The same woman crushed my larenx once with a ridge hand and felt zero remorse.
looking at this from a civil libertys stand point Ray treated her with complete equal rights.
Telling me she is a trained fighter changes everything.
Counceling for both of them. should he really lose his job?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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I know that I am bumping a useless thread, but some of the posts bely belief. Heavens to Murgatroyd.
There was violence both ways, but the guy drags his partner out of an elevator. Jaysus. And some of the posts defending him, where are your priorities, where are your morals?
So she hits him and he pulls a revolver or knife? WTF. Didn't happen but it could have. And yet people rush to his defense.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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They are Dingus. They are.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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The real issue here is that the NFL only did something significant when the publicity became bad. They already knew that there was significant domestic abuse going on no matter who was at fault. If he was on the practice squad he would have been cut, but he was a star. The same thing happens all the time to doctors, lawyers, politicians, and everyother walk of life including climbers. The prosecutors did the same as well. I wonder if he could be charged again with a different crime now that there is more evidence? Her too if she lied about it to cover it up, but who knows I am not a lawyer.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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I watched both video's...she looks like the instigator!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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This whole thang has given me a teachable moment - today I learned that Roger
Goodell makes $44 Million/year. Now that's a crime.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Rielly... you sure??
I thought the radio this am says he only makes 14 million.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Goodell works for a handful of some of the smartest wealthiest people in the world. These people would not overpay their maid, much less the manager of their corporation.
From the internet
The NFL continues making money at ridiculous rates, so it stands to reason they’d spread it around.
According to Daniel Kaplan of Sports Business Daily, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell made $44.2 million in the 12-month span that ended March 31, 2013.
That includes $9.1 million in deferred pension and bonus earned the previous year.
This time a year ago, Goodell’s compensation nearing $30 million caused much grumbling, since he hadn’t made more than $11.5 million in a season before the lockout.
Of course, since then, the league keeps signing new labor deals and television deals that clearly favor the business, and his bosses clearly appreciate it.
Owners Arthur Blank, Robert Kraft and Jerry Richardson wrote in a letter to their fellow owners that is scheduled to be emailed this afternoon, which reads: “Goodell’s compensation reflects our pay-for-performance philosophy and is appropriate given the fact that the NFL under his consistently strong leadership continues to grow.”
And so does Goodell’s wallet.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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The problem is those fantasy darkies and their gold digging girlfriends. Let's keep our eyes on the prize - it's not like the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer. Hmm I wonder who is who? We're the good people who enjoy the outdoors - those other people must be the problem! Personally I prefer warching white dopers ride their bikes.
Thanks for your posts MikeL.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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John.... thanks for clearing that up.
He is way overpaid, IMHO.
But I guess that is the way it is with CEO's and "top execs"....
I like football, pro style, I hate college- watching the slaves get used sucks.
I really don't give a rats ass about what players do in their private lives... steriods, drugs, booze, chicks, baby mamas, etc... as long as they don't break laws.
So what are we going to do... fire anybody who gets a "domestic violence" charge?
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Sorry if those things reflect on us DMT, but I can't help noticing that you weren't out the first time they were said.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 9, 2014 - 04:32pm PT
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anay Rice, the wife of former Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice, posted a statement on Instagram.
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In it, she talks about the "horrible nightmare" that Monday and Tuesday have been and how she feels like Rice's release from the Ravens and NFL suspension have left her as if she's "mourning the death of a friend."
Here's the full statement (her Instagram profile is private, but the Baltimore Sun has confirmed that the statement was intended to be made public):
"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ass of for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific. THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"
Later, Rice spoke with ESPN's Josina Anderson for the first-known public statement from him after his release and suspension.
Rice said:
"I have to be strong for my wife. She is so strong. We are in good spirits. We have a lot of people praying for us, and we'll continue to support each other. I have to be there for [Janay] and my family and right now work through this."
Then Rice handed the phone to his wife, who told Anderson:
"I love my husband. I support him. I want people to respect our privacy in this matter."
Clearly, Palmer is in her husband's corner, doesn't want to relive the February assault and believes that the media and NFL have handled Rice's case poorly. She and her husband are facing the reality that Rice's football career is likely over at this point.
She's also assuming that people are trying to "hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away" in light of watching the extended portion of the video.
But she finishes her message with love for Ravens fans, and if Rice is to be believed, he is putting his family first — an important step, one would think, in this trying time for the Rices.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Yeah, I bet she's bummed that she can't get that new Bentley.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 9, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
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Coupple of points.
A. if she is a Black Belt she is a trained fighter.
B. In the extended video she spits in his face and punches and kicks him.
C. he handeled it exceptionally poorly.
D. There is probobly no legal reason to charge Ray. she was in the process of assulting him when he decked her. Add the fact that she is a black belt to this and there is no way a DA is going to try and press charges unless forced into it by the media. the decision to not press charges most likly was a result of the evidence pointing to a lose lose situation. AKA clusterfck
E. Ray totally over reacted in the force aplication and short of getting full mount and throwing down ground and pound that whole dragging thing was about as awfull as you can get.
F. he should have tied her up/clinched and bear hugged her untill she calmed down. Most likly would have gotten a knee in the groin for his efforts but he would still have his job.
G. easy for me (and everyone else) to monday morning QB this one.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 12, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
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What is it with Running Backs?
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crankster
Trad climber
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Sep 12, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
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The hidden is coming to light. Football players committing acts of domestic violence on a regular basis. Stats are beyond alarming. Commish soon to go. Better clean it up before the beer sales decline. Then you got a problem.
Is it linked to performance enhancing drugs? Dunno. Would not be surprised.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 12, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
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Tradmanclimbs: . . . if you fight them like a fighter you look like a total a hole.
There's your anchor. You have a strong sense of what's what.
There is a time to fight and a time to walk. When you feel like a jerk, you've missed your time to walk. Did you get your upbringing that allows you to recognize yourself as a jerk? Many people don't. They have to learn that through trial and error.
We can analyze the fine points of the law and the situation socially. But, do you know where your heart is in the situation? You need not explain the logic or rationality of where your heart is at. There is no argument for values.
It's really not about whether a guy punches a woman. It's about your heart, who and what you are, and whether or not you know those things. If you do, then you will be at peace. Nothing can move you.
Mr. and Mrs. Rice are not at peace with the situation--as well as a great number of other people. I'd say there are many hearts that are confused.
Nothing that the NFL or the law can do will take your heart to peace. Like most important things, peace is an inside job.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Sep 12, 2014 - 08:50pm PT
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Well, there's that thing called the law.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2014 - 08:08am PT
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If you watch the extended version of the video you see that technicaly speaking Mrs rice assulted Mr rice. had she done the same things to a Cop she would have been tased, beaten to a pulp and possibly shot. the cop would have been put on paid administrative leave and eventually cleared of all charges. that is the law for you........
One of the many things that I learned in many years as a martial arts instructor is that the tactically correct response to most physical altrications is usually not the correct moral or legal response.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 13, 2014 - 08:55am PT
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That's why I watch the NHL. The players are largely family men. The coach of LA Kings (2 championships in 3 years) goes home to run his farm in Canada during the off season. Many of the players come from families who have generations of players. Yeah they play fiercely on the ice, but when the game's over they're all friends, go golfing together etc.
What do you think would happen after he super bowl if the players and staff of both teams had to line up and shake hands, passing one another?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 13, 2014 - 09:06am PT
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 13, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
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What do you think would happen after he super bowl if the players and staff of both teams had to line up and shake hands, passing one another?
They pretty much do mingle and shake hands after the games. Many of these guys played together in college and know each other from being on multiple NFL teams. Many players from different teams train together in the off season. Baseball on the other hand is the most wholesome and non-violent sport of the big three. Those baseball guys never shake hands. They might exchange chit-chat when on base, but no group hugs.
I am not sure hockey has a monopoly on camaraderie or good family values. There are also some despicable hockey players.
Last time I went to a boxing match a hockey game broke out.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 13, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
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McSorley was an aberration. He had a rep for being a pig. That play ended his career. And it was 20 years ago.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2014 - 02:24pm PT
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so your saying they no longer fight in hocky? do they still let them fight when it happens? have not watched in years but always thought it was a bizzare practice to let people playing an organized sport fly off the handle and beat the crap out of other players... Comming from a very strict traditional martial arts background any infraction of the rules or any back talking would get you in instant very deep hot water.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2014 - 02:32pm PT
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just googled it. i see that hockey is still a nice well mannered family sport. that is of course if you family is related to the Palins [Click to View YouTube Video]
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 13, 2014 - 02:35pm PT
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There is less fighting today by a long shot, due mostly to better refereeing and stricter rules. The large fights which used to occur happened largely when someone made a dirty or dangerous play like boarding and the refs didn't catch it. That's when the the team on the receiving end of such a play, especially if it was a star player, sends on the goons the square things up. Not so much the case any more. Lots of games go all the way with out a roughing call.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2014 - 02:51pm PT
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got to love how they do the play by play the whole way through it while craking metalica:)
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 13, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
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favorite line in the fight video - 1:16 "This might be what the Senators needed"
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
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look at the very start of the video they bring up the height and weight of the first two fighters just as if they were announcing a boxing or MMA match. supprised they did not have fighting stats;)
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 13, 2014 - 05:50pm PT
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Why don't they just spray those grappling hockey apes with some huge firehoses
Cuz that might cause them to stop fighting, and beer sales would drop.
San Diego is not much of a hockey town but with lots of transplants there are plenty of fans. Former local sportscaster Ted Leitner liked to mess with them.
Leitner has a history of mocking those who like NHL hockey, and those who complain to the station that he does not show highlights. To "appease" hockey fans, Ted would occasionally show a highlight clip of an NHL game, which was most often two enforcers squared off in a fight. Or if only one NHL game was being played on a given night, Leitner would claim that he was about to show every goal scored in the NHL that night. The 3 or 4 goals would then be shown, rapidly edited, in the space of a few seconds.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 13, 2014 - 08:15pm PT
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2013 action
Any blood?
Any concussions?
Any real intent to injure?
Any women raped?
NBA? NFL?
Tradman has a serious grudge against hockey. Those guys are the coolest guys in pro sports. So tfw if they get aggro in a game. When is the last time you saw anyone injured in a hockey fight worse than a nosebleed or a split lip? So far the best you come up with was the McSorley hit 20 years ago which ended his career, and that wasn't a fight, It was a disgusting dirty play with intent to injure.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2014 - 04:35am PT
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dude your f*#king halucinating? me a grudge against hockey? I don't care one way or the other about hockey. I just got on a tear googleing good hockey fights. I do think it's kind of odd that they treat the fights as part of the game and the refs let them fight and pretty much act like boxing refs while the fight is happening.
I am mostly over watching sports these days. I much rather participate than watch. the only sports that I would get really excited to watch are Bull rideing and Moto GP
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Sep 14, 2014 - 04:59am PT
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Trad,
I love messing with Hockey fans. I just explain that Women's hockey is better. It's like the clean hockey that is seen during the Stanley Cup but even better. The game is much more skillfull and refined when it's not a thug fest. In normal brawl-hockey they constantly interrupt the game with talentless thuggery. Drunk.White.Guys.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Sep 14, 2014 - 08:34am PT
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Flip your not messing with me. Drunk? I don't think so, the fitness level to play on an NHL team is unreal. Anyway most of the games I go to are minor league, Ontario (CA) Reign etc. There's some good fun there.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 14, 2014 - 11:41am PT
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Moto GP Interesting selection.
Probably the most dangerous spectator sport there is (after Isle of Man TT).
Ratio of serious injuries and deaths to active participants? I'm not sure I want to know.
And no spectator wants to see a serious crash.
However.
Because this sport is SO dangerous, there is zero tolerance for mayhem between riders on the track. It is completely unacceptable. Rider deliberately bumping rider as in NASCAR? No friggen way, both are likely to go down in flames.
Pro hockey players are wimps by comparison.
Hockey IS a great way for the masses to watch legal gang fights and get their adrenaline rush.
Pro football comes a close second. Doncha love the moment a defensive end grabs the pass receiver in the air and throws him to the ground?
Even I get a rush.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Sep 14, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
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When I was growing up in Houston my father would often get tickets to see the Houston minor league team, Gordie Howe and his two sons. It was great fun to go, I never remember there being any fights, no drunken fan behavior. No way I would go to an NHL game now though, unless things have really changed.
Unfortunately San Diego will not get any team in that Sports Arena. We can barely hang on to our football team. Clippers were smart for leaving.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Sep 14, 2014 - 02:06pm PT
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Sep 14, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
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This is part of why I no longer watch football
I stopped watching football when Fran Tarkenton retired.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Sep 14, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
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It was ONE time.
Ray Rice is a man of love, peace, compassion.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 14, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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Fck ray rice, were talking hockey fights now. that was a wicked cool documentary/ interview
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Sep 14, 2014 - 08:34pm PT
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ESPN had Ray Lewis who was around when a murder happened, Chris Carter drug issues, and Keyshawn who was talking about about being charged with domestic abide this year. Turned to NFL channel and it was Michael Irvine they are all worshiped by all these fans and all of them were saying the players are different and more selfish today.
I think that is the same old BS there was just as much if not more crap going on back then. The NFL WAS JUST BETTER AT COVERING IT UP. Social media sucks for the nfl on this issue and he proliferation of cameras. It was quite comical that Chris carter as calling out the whole league and Ray Lewis. Now with ap whipping his one of many kids with many different women to the point of broken skin, bruising and scars on a four year old. What could have a 4 year old possibly have done to deserve that.
Roger Godell might wish he never had his job by the end.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Sep 14, 2014 - 09:40pm PT
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2014 - 05:06am PT
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Hockey fights are a much better conversation. Grown men being boys with lots of beer and chips;)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 15, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
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did you know they figued out that he was going 70mph when he hit the water.
It would have taken that much impact to blow her panties off and put em in the glove box.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 15, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
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Hockey....now there is a totally lame sport. Much appreciated, however, by the local reconsructive dentists.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
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I own Budweiser stock, hence, all sports are good.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Sep 15, 2014 - 02:32pm PT
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Tie Domi, Marc Messier Bob Probert and Don Cherry on the finer points of pro hockey from the past...
nice but you forgot about Chris nilan nails!
Chris shut down Philly!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Sep 15, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
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I love climbers. Shake a finger at consenting adults fighting but foam at the mouth at free soloing stories. Our house is glass, bitches. Let grown ups do what they want, it's not your thing then it's not your thing - but to a lot of people out there fighting isn't some misunderstood taboo. Slamming against the ice, checks, a puck flying at you... Just PARTICULAR kinds of directed aggravation we don't like.
The more I'm looking into football the more the sleezy cover ups upset me - but if two Canadians want to slug it out why do you give a sh#t?
Climbers, always telling people what to do and which risks are acceptable...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2014 - 02:37pm PT
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You missed Da Bears puttin' a whoopin' on the Niners in their new stadium.
It was SWEET!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Sep 15, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
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f*#k this conversation.
i suppose climbers are extraordinary human beans right?
just look at the patheticness of this thread to figure it out.
f*#k you and the horse you rode in on.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Sep 15, 2014 - 06:25pm PT
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Football players are not extraordinary people. Just wildly over-paid wife beaters and thugs who catch pigskins in tights while drunk numbnuts cheer 'em on.
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Sep 15, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
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Sandstone - actually they are entertainers. Like showgirls or standup comics.
We watch them when we need a break from our real lives of climbing terror.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Sep 15, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
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Head-chopping terror. Climbing is not terrifying.
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couchmaster
climber
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Sep 15, 2014 - 08:06pm PT
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Clearly if ONE football player is like that they all must be like that. Which is why you no must longer vote either Tradman? The politicians have a much worse record.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 15, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
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Reilly...Your Seahawks got their tails buzzed yesterday...? What gives..?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 15, 2014 - 08:11pm PT
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how is football any worse than bowling?
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Leggs
Sport climber
Made in California
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Sep 15, 2014 - 09:35pm PT
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Mondays?
Can you say "Bachelor/Bachelorette" ???
DYING.
Edit:
Dead.
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ruppell
climber
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Sep 15, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
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The Raiders are the reason I no longer watch football. I just can't watch them have another loosing season. Someone email me when that changes.
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ruppell
climber
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Sep 15, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
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LOL. Good point.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 17, 2014 - 12:56pm PT
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Reggie Bush (Detroit Lions) speaking about his 1 year old daughter:
"I most definitely discipline my daughter. I have a 1-year-old daughter and I discipline her," Bush said on WFAN’s “Boomer & Carton” show, via CBS New York. I definitely will try to ... obviously not leave bruises or anything like that on her. But I definitely will discipline her harshly depending on, again what the situation is.
How the hell do you discipline a 1 year old??
They've go NO concept of wrong at that age. No concept of actions and consequences. No way to relate "discipline" with their behavior.
You guide them, encourage them, teach them. Steer them away from unwanted behavior when you can. When you can't you just clean up the mess or otherwise ignore it till next time. Patience is everything.
I'd like to know under what circumstances he "disciplines her harshly".
He can slap her around all he wants and what will she learn?
Go ahead, think about it Reggie.......
If you've still got a brain after all the concussions.
If you ever had any patience.......
The Neanderthal Fools League needs to provide good parenting classes to it's employees.
When I say employees, I include the idiots who wear the helmets.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Sep 17, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
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It's got to be the drugs.
TEMPE, Ariz. -- Arizona Cardinals running back Jonathan Dwyer has been deactivated from all team activities following his arrest Wednesday on allegations of aggravated assault.
The arrests stem from two incidents involving a 27-year-old female and an 18-month-old child at Dwyer's home in southeast Phoenix at July 21 at 8 a.m. and July 22 at 4 p.m., according to the Phoenix Police Department. Dwyer, 25, was booked into Maricopa County Jail on Wednesday on one count of aggravated assault causing a fracture, one count of aggravated assault involving a minor, two counts of criminal damage, one count of preventing the use of a phone in an emergency, and assault.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 17, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
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Gotta admit, there were some good games last weekend.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 18, 2014 - 12:15pm PT
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spanking and sex?
That's just SOOOOOO Wrong!!!!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Sep 18, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
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don't forget the punchline
Moreover, Morris noted that NFL players do seem to commit acts of domestic violence at a higher rate than individuals with a similar socioeconomic status, though a direct comparison wasn't available.
As public figures, football players must hold themselves to higher standards, and be punished appropriately when they fail to meet them. But more quintessentially, as human beings, they need to recognize that unprovoked violence against others, particularly those not able to defend themselves, is utterly reprehensible.
many American boys look up to them and many consider them role models.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 18, 2014 - 04:38pm PT
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many American boys look up to them and many consider them role models.
Maybe many American boys who hail from the same socio-economic milieu which
spawned a lot of those guys, yo.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 30, 2014 - 07:46am PT
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Outcry after Chiefs player flagged for post-touchdown prayer
September 30, 2014, 9:36 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/husain-abdullah-kansas-city-chiefs-safety-flagged-for-post-touchdown-prayer/
Husain Abdullah knew before he even reached the end zone Monday night that he would drop to his knees in thankful prayer after intercepting Tom Brady in the fourth quarter of the Kansas City Chiefs' 41-14 victory over New England.
He had no idea he would be penalized for it.
But after sliding to the grass in the end zone at Arrowhead Stadium, that's exactly what happened. The devout Muslim, who stepped away from the game for a year to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, saw yellow flags flying from the game officials.
Any bets on whether a flag would be thrown if the guy was a devout Christian?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Sep 30, 2014 - 07:57am PT
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Yes, Sketch, I'm sure that's exactly what happened.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Oct 11, 2014 - 07:40pm PT
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but...butt! football is so awesome! you guys really hate America..athletes are beyond reprehension. They're like warriors, without all the valor and honor sh#t. Run that pigskin, motherf*#ker!
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Nov 28, 2014 - 01:38pm PT
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
Sep 8, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
I'll make a bet right now this guy will be back playing in the league in < 3 years, ala Michael Vick.
How's $20?
Sketch: Reinstated by 9/8/17.
I say he's toast. See page 2 for original bet.
Ray Rice wins appeal; NFL suspension vacated immediately
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-ray-rice-appeal-20141128-story.html
Someone is going to pick him up.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 28, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
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Someone is going to pick him up.
Gotta be the Raiders...
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