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Wade Icey

Trad climber
Mar 12, 2010 - 01:56pm PT
Old A5 is the Corbett thing near staircase? If I remember correctly there was a fat solo anchor (YMS?) bolt at the base and thin diagonal crack. Pre Cam hooks. I think you-Minerals- put in rurps and blades of various quality to an old (fa?) bolt then more various thin easing to the anchor. might've fixed a rurp?

Minerals cruised and if there was any A3ness™ it was probably due to diagonals and ground fall implications. even "Practice Aid" cragging is A5 if you rip the gear.

Keep the Wall/Aid bumps coming. New hip on Monday- can't wait to top step again- PSYCHED.

Trad climber
Bay Area
Mar 13, 2010 - 04:59pm PT
Early in the thread there was some confusion about the El Cap Tree routes.
I'm not familiar with the direct but have climbed the original in February a LONG time ago.
It diagonals to the left to the tree ledge.

According to Roper, the first two pitches go as steep as 110 degrees. I believe it.

Roper and the green Meyers/Reid guide show three pitches with the 3d at 5.6. The start of Iron Hawk
This is the way I remember it.

SuperTopo Big Walls shows it as the first 4 pitches of Atlantic Ocean Wall, 5.9 C2.
Also shows the last pitch as 5.8 or 5.9 or C1. I definitely recall it easier than 5.8 and free.
It's probably easier to make it 4 pitches for hauling a pig. Do it in 3 otherwise.

Lunch at the base of the Tree, a spectacular spot.

We rapped the last pitch back down to the ledge. From there it's an overhanging rappel with a sling transfer at 120 feet. A very good introduction to working in a totally exposed position! Check and double check every thing you do! Noob that I was, I went first.
On the 140' rap from the transfer to the ground the tails of my ropes hung up in an oak tree about 40' off the deck. More interesting practice to tie off my rap and retrieve the ends while twisting in the breeze 15 feet out from the wall!

Big Walls shows 2 raps straight down from the tree. 190' each.
You can also rap the route. You'll still need 2 ropes.

It had snowed hard the day before and big plates of ice were sliding off all the cliffs on the North side of the valley, especially El Cap. They flew behind us and crashed in the woods. A good route to climb on such a day.

I highly recommend it for a beginning multi pitch aid climb. You can escape from any pitch by rapping.

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 13, 2010 - 08:00pm PT
The best thing to do is jump on an obscure wall so that you don't interfere with other climbers and tough it out. You will learn.

Trad climber
san Jose, CA
Jun 21, 2010 - 04:21pm PT
Hi all,
I'm a geezer planning on doing some walls this summer and fall. Did El cap a few times BITD and many of the Grade V's and standard nailups of the times. Things like Bishop's Balcony, Swan Slab A5 traverse, etc. I am hoping to solo something if my aged bones permit, and am looking for some nice practice lines. I recently got my lovely Fish ledge, and want somewhere obscure, but not too much of a deathmarch to practice setting it up, and some new hauling techniques I hope to use. I spent a lot of time talking with Mark Hudon (THANKS Mark!!), after his trip up Tribal Rite, and got a lot of ideas from him that I want to try out also.

So I was wondering if there are any RECENT ideas about good practice lines. I did Le Conte Boulder last week, and that went well, but something like the Southwest face of Rixon's would be better for what I want to do. Anyone know if it is still in the death zone? Another oldie I was thinking of was the Bear Rock Bolt Route. Anyone seen this in the last few years?

Basically I am looking for something to lead (solo) that is long enough to actually use the tools (minimum of 5 placements or 20 feet) and reasonably safe (I REALLY know how to place gear- I just want to work on procedures, solo leading, setting up a solo belay, portaledge, rappelling to the bag, jumaring the pitch back up, etc). So A4 right off the deck is not what I am looking for. I would like a decent anchor (can replace if necessary), and preferably not overhanging too much. I was toying with the idea of finding a suitable boulder somewhere in the valley and putting up a short aid route and good belay, but perhaps this already exists. It seems to me that this sort of thing would be useful to many doing their first walls, to get the procedures worked out, and that sort of thing.

Anyway, I already know I am going to die (at my age you cannot escape the fact...), so I would enjoy having a dialogue with others with some ideas, both about locations to practice that won't get in people's ways and which I can stagger up to without losing lunch and in procedures for self belay, rappel back to the previous belay, and hauling methods and procedures for soloists. I can think of many ways to do most of these things, but would like to avoid re-inventing the wheel and use battle tested methods.

All the best,

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Jun 21, 2010 - 04:37pm PT
the far right side of Arch rock has a A1 nail up crack.

Don't know the name but obscure fur sure and accepts iron from what I hear.

Social climber
Sierra Eastside
Jun 23, 2010 - 12:06am PT
One of my first aid leads was NW Corner of Kat Pinnacle. Yes it is steep and exposed - exactly what aid climbing is all about! I recommend it highly, just watch out for (or ignore) the poison oak on the approach. It's also a cool summit, which offers a reward for the effort!
Dave Sessions

Trad climber
Thousand Oaks, CA
Nov 2, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
If you're looking for C1, maybe the best starter aid climb of all time is Church bowl tree, up to the bots. Solid, and varied, close to the car, comes with a bench - and it's right next to the medical center (!)

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
Werner's Ant Trees is a must do practice aid line. At least that what we thought back in 1978.
Dave Sessions

Trad climber
Thousand Oaks, CA
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:08am PT
Here's an interesting practice climb I just 'found' - the Robbins route on Rixon's, aka Far West has a first pitch variation that was rated A4 when Jeff Foote/Eric Beck added it in '63. The Reid guide has it down as being A3+. Wonder when the last time that thing was done....!

Social climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:22am PT
Serious question - how much do you need to practice aid climbing? Why does it have to be on a rope?

Can't you just take a crashpad, an etrier, a sh#t load of pins/heads/offset bullsh#t, go to boulders by the base of your objective and see what hooks and stuff fail?

When I was a bright eyed child (2 days ago?) I thought you had to do all these bolt ladders and shtuff.

Single pitch aid climbing, where you are always less than a full pitch off the deck... not a good place to mess with tenuous placements.

Just my .02, I think Minerals is a bad ass and does more for the community (and more rock climbing) than I can shake a stick at, so big props to him - plus, his beard is AWESOME.

(cool I didn't check to see that this thread is 3 years old. I'm a dum.)


Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:25am PT
I really never practiced too much, just went out and did the "easy" south face of the column route. kinda of a cluster through the first aid pitches off Dinner Ledge, but not much to hit if I blew it! Learning close to the ground sounds pretty sketch.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:50am PT
Serious question - how much do you need to practice aid climbing? Why does it have to be on a rope?

Can't you just take a crashpad, an etrier, a sh#t load of pins/heads/offset bullsh#t, go to boulders by the base of your objective and see what hooks and stuff fail?

You need a shitload of practice if you want to be fast. Free-climbing is fast, aid climbing is slow. If you want to be slow as f*#king molasses, then be a slow aid climber.

"Aid bouldering" is a great tool for getting quick with placements, learning to trust your placements, and learning to make secure placements that can be cleaned quickly and easily.

The old British tradition of girdling can be applied to "aid bouldering" along the base of a cliff.

Trad climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 10:12am PT
Thanks for the effort here man. Good stuff. We'll be gettin on some of these this winter in prep for our first El Cap ascent this spring. Great resource. Much appreesh.
Sioux Juan

Big Wall climber
Costa mesa
Nov 14, 2012 - 11:04am PT
the wflt ....is no place to learn, unless you have masterd down aiding,should you bail and rap down

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Nov 14, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
+1 for practicing in low-traffic locations.

Tips, if it hasn't yet been mentioned, would be perfect. C1.
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