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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 2, 2014 - 03:46pm PT
DD 214 (got one) or no - I wasn't aware one needed to have served in the military to be concerned about or support action against ISIS.

ISIS cut a couple of journalist's heads off, and that sucks - particularly if you're one of the two - but that was designed to get folks to freak the f*#k out, and boy, did it work!

Is ISIS THAT much of a threat, though? Not really. They're good at leaking into a power vacuum, like Mosul and Tikrit (originally Sunni anyway - they're just restoring the status quo there), but elsewhere? Nah. They got their asses kicked out of Jordan, where they began. The local Al Qaeda franchises largely booted them from Syria. Nobody likes an out-of-towner swaggering in and telling the locals what's what.

Will ISIS take Baghdad? Probably not. They actually suck at coordinating fighting against an enemy that doesn't actually slip out voluntarily - with the exception of about 1000 Chechen fighters, who really are bad-asses.

Will they squirt north? Nope. The Kurds would mop the floor with them, and they know it. What they have done is partition Iraq in a way that was pretty much inevitable after Bush destabilized the joint in 2003 - SU-NNI! SU-NNI! SU-NNI! and that's where it will stall. So far, it's been all getting their asses kicked or scraping up low hanging dates with them.

But hey, feel free to freak the f*#k out and demand the US do something truly, abysmally stupid (UH-gain) because of those two beheadings.

By all means, be the audience a few Jihadist performance artists want you to be.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 2, 2014 - 03:50pm PT
Its all about you tvash.

(jesus)

DMT
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:01pm PT
No, it's all about keeping your thinking cap on and not running over the cliff with all the other lemmings.

With you, however, it does, in fact, seem to be all about me ;)
Binks

climber
Uranus
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
i don't care who killed who in the middle east
or in Israel.

and i don't want to pay a single dime for us defense corporations to kill people in mud huts with million dollar planes and missiles. sorry no. i don't care.

i vote no. clean up our own country. stop crime here. stop robbing the people and destroying the land HERE.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
the failed American invasion of occupation that gave birth to ISIS

just a wee-bit simplistic. /sarc

My sense is, you think you know more, a lot more, about ISIS and what makes them tick than you do. In this regard, you're no more helpful than The Chief on the climate thread. :(

There are as many crazies on the far left as there are crazies on the right. NO where is this clearer than what they have to say regarding Islam, partic re jihadi Islam and fundamentalist Islam.

Opinions of every stripe. On the left. On the right. It's not unlike what Seven said: "You lack harmony, cohesion. It will be your undoing."
Binks

climber
Uranus
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
nobody cares.

in another week, nobody will even remember.

the media is owned by a few large corporations.

over 100 people got shot in Chicago on the 4th, but that really wasn't big news.

nobody i know even talks about the major news corporation headlines.

it makes ZERO difference to daily life, and it's all fabricated to suit a political agenda one way or another

sorry "news" corporations, Al Qaeda at least sounded vaguely threatening.

ISIS crisis, whoo hoo!

next year it will be what ?

it's a constant crisis!!! it never ends! lol. and if I'd never once paid attention, my life wouldn't be any different one way or another. sorry, no, i don't feel any panic whatsoever. fail.

there's millions of people living in shanty towns, it's not a crisis. what's a crisis anyway?
WBraun

climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
Oh c'mon guys ....

Lets get together a grab one of them (ISIS) dudes, preferably their stupid leader.

We'll cut his head off on TV for them to see.

Then we'll take his head and put it in a shopping cart and go shopping with it in Wall Mart (the epitome of capitalism) all on TV for them to see.

That will piss em off ......

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
I wasn't aware one needed to have served in the military to be concerned about or support action against ISIS.

Oh my... I am CONCERNED about ISIS.

Now where's my cappuccino?

I support the military! (with some typed words and oh, I pay my taxes).

I watched American support and concern with respect to Iraq and Afghanistan and frankly, your poll data isn't worth a piss bowl. Neither is American support and concern.

I'll believe the support when I see the sig on the contract.

DMT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
They'll care after a nuclear bomb detonates in a big US city. And this is my judgment (knowing about Abrahamic fundamentalism and what it means), not Faux News. You think 9-11 was a disruption to our economy and way of life, that'll be quickly forgotten. Till though, we're alarmists.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:24pm PT
Alright, this is getting to be too much.

Neither of these videos, from what I hear, shows the whole beheading the whole way through, without cuts.

There have been other videos of behadings, I think the other one I saw was linked up on supertopo, that show the whole gory business, all the way through, so there can be no mistake. This sh!t is BS!

Have you noticed the verbage used by the mainstream media: "Video shows the apparent beheading"; "Video purportedly shows the beheading . . . "

In other words we have no proof!!!!!!

Oh, I'm sorry, did they deliver Folley's body, so we can verify.

Yeah right

Where are all the debunkers, now???
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:26pm PT
But back to Iraq...

ISIS is good at sweeping into to power vacuum, in a Sunni region no less, and that has 'stunned the world'. Really? Their success there is a surprise - to anyone? Now everyone's all a-jitter about The Caliphate (TM), but don't look for that to extend much further than their home turf - a land full of a butt-hurt religious minority who's been itching to regain a bit of clout since their 2003 emasculation.

There seems to be some sense that Al Qaeda is magically going to re-constitute into some harmonious, world wide threat to the entire region, rather than the squabbling constellation of competing colloquial warlords it really is. This ain't the Wermacht we're talking about here - this is the mafia with a cell phone video camera. Pretty effective tool at reviving the Islam Against the Free World meme - always helpful when trying to enact the kind of wise foreign policy that won't actually blow our own faces off and a whole bunch of regional locals along with them.

Sure, life in Baghdad is going to (continue to) suck with bombings - like it has since 2003.

That's hardly a reason for a Let's Roll Redux, however.

Not that that didn't work out really, really well or anything.

Oh, and I'm sure midterms have NOTHING to do with the rhetoric flying around the country right now. No, that could never happen.



WBraun

climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
Reeotch gets it.

Apparently Foley was beheaded a year ago but there still is no proof.

Professional expert video analysis rendered huge doubts to its authenticity with their conclusion its fake.

Foley has history with the CIA.

There's way more ......
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 2, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
Americans (sans me) are watching beheading videos - "the HORROR!", Jihaddis are watching drone beheading videos "الرعب!" - and each side is rebel yelling and ululating in response. After all, that's what street theatre is for. Should such isolated nastiness, disturbing as it may be, cause the United States to check it's brain at the door and go full metal jacket (uh-gain) on the region's ass?

While DMT may be running to his nearest recruiting office to get an age waiver, the answer is, of course, no.

A video is not a threat to national or regional security.

When one analyses ISIS history, capabilities - and all the local forces, political and military, that keep it in check - the answer seems to be that it is a highly localized threat that has capitalized on a highly localized political and military vacuum in the Sunni Triangle.

By all means, eye your local neighborhood mosque with suspicion as your time allows - everyone needs a hobby, but suddenly subscribing to McMoron's standard alarmist schtick - the very thing that destabilized Iraq in the first place, doesn't seem to me to be exactly the most well-thought out, effective course of action here.

As for suit case bombs - well, that's a threat, sure, but one that doesn't have much to do with the conflict at hand, here. If memory serves, Iran doesn't yet have a bomb, but if it does - I don't think ISIS presents toooo much of an invasion threat there. Iran and North Korea are going to do what they're going to do regardless of whether ISIS exists. In other words, that's a very different problem to solve.

The administration should continue to keep its own head on and continue to work the problem in a way that won't, as has so often been the case - make the regional situation worse.

Iraq either needs to give ISIS a good talking to, contain it, fold it in politically (using a little cartel breaking strategy, perhaps, or a combination of all of the above. Sunni disenfranchisement is at the heart of all this - and that's not going to go away if it's not addressed somehow. This will probably involve developing more alliances, regionally and further afield. A local solution will have more staying power than another US get in/get out adventure. Perhaps ISIS has provided the street theatre necessary to make this actually happen. Al-Maliki's finally excising himself in reaction - providing a more fertile environment for this to happen.

crankster

Trad climber
Sep 2, 2014 - 05:08pm PT
Apparently Foley was beheaded a year ago but there still is no proof.

Professional expert video analysis rendered huge doubts to its authenticity with their conclusion its fake.

Foley has history with the CIA.

There's way more ......
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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 2, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
The reality of Let's Roll (kick the bad guys asses!) is that local folks often wind up taking in the shorts. If they are perceived to be collaborating with the White Hats, the Black Hats get 'em. And vice versa. In the end, enough tragedy and resentment can be built up to set the region up for the next conflict.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 2, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
A long interview with an Iraqi.

http://foreign-intrigue.com/2014/09/voices-from-the-front-2/
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 2, 2014 - 06:45pm PT
The reality of Let's Roll (kick the bad guys asses!) is that local folks often wind up taking in the shorts. If they are perceived to be collaborating with the White Hats, the Black Hats get 'em. And vice versa. In the end, enough tragedy and resentment can be built up to set the region up for the next conflict.


A lot of equivocating going on here, and deflection.

While I will grant you that the videos posted recently never actually show the active deaths of the 2 reporters, lets keep sh#t real.

These mother-f*#kers executed many Yazidis and Christians and Iraqi regular Army. That's only in Iraq!

In Syria they did just as much, setting up 'meathouses' where they dismembered people limb by limb. I can provide the links if you're willing.

Denying that we're dealing with monsters is naive. Putin should be the least of our current worries. We have really bad actors coming after us, and they have proven that they want to kill us.

Wake up. Shut down the southern border or there will be hell to pay. They are already trying to exploit it.

I think I have a link here somewhere...
http://www.judicialwatch.org/bulletins/imminent-terrorist-attack-warning-feds-us-border/

johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Sep 2, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
^^^^^^

hahahahaha
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 2, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
We are certainly dealing with monsters Bluey... monsters we made and continue to support.

The MSM drivel is so bad now it's almost cartoonish.
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Sep 2, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
Monsters at our borders, next we'll have monsters under our beds.
God help us. We need bigger walls around us to keep us safe.


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