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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 7, 2014 - 11:40am PT
Rottingjohnny, which WMD's? The Weapons of Media Distortion?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 7, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
Don't want to think how depressing all these youtubes
are posted by people shooting at each other in Syria and Iraq.
Its crazy.

Go-Pro on a tank vid or "RPG vs Syrian Army tank"
cooks off and then always the happy exclamations
of 'god is great!.

And everywhere buildings turned to rubble.
War is about destroying your enemies stuff.

And whatever you do don't watch this. Sorry I did.

[Click to View YouTube Video]



rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 7, 2014 - 02:44pm PT
Reilly...May the Jihad reach your Monrovia and may you be slain by a guerilla slut...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 7, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
What are you NeverDoos going to do about that?

Did you ever do ANYTHING, war-hero?

I already know your response is to NEVER intervene, an that is f*#king weak.
crankster

Trad climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 05:23pm PT
Relax saber rattlers's, the Man Who Got Osama Bin Laden and Sadaam Hussein will handle this. Go about your business.

“I’m preparing the country to make sure that we deal with a threat from” the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, Mr. Obama said in an interview broadcast Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

“What I want people to understand,” he said, “is that over the course of months, we are going to be able to not just blunt the momentum” of the militants. “We are going to systematically degrade their capabilities; we’re going to shrink the territory that they control; and, ultimately, we’re going to defeat them,” he added.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 7, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
I JUST READ PAT DOLLARD AND NOW I AM RAGING FOR WAR!!!!!!!11


I'm a man of my own convictions. My association to Pat is amicable. We agree on lots of sh#t, but he doesn't speak for me, and my opinions on his site are my my own. Just like here.

In fact, he is much like Chris Mac. He provides a forum to vent or share stuff. It is just a different kind of forum. And the posters are more carefully screened.

It is definitely biased. And very conservative.

EDIT: Oh, most Dollard peeps say bomb ISIS, not Russia. FYI>....
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 7, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
Fly, my pre-midterm monkeys, fly!
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 7, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
Bomb the refineries (then get the reconstruction contracts)!!!!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 07:36pm PT
Two posts in a row. I thought you didn't care per a previous post, so wtf? But I see the sarcasm.

Apparently it's only Christian retro (cf: Islamic retro) that obstructs gays and womens rights you care about. Well at least that's better than nothing.

Christian retro. Islamic retro. I see them BOTH as obstacles to secular progressive civilization. From what you know of science and history it seems to me you should too; and not be so eager to attack general Abrahamic criticism. Esp insofar as you "don't care." Just posting out loud here. ;)


Oh, and ps, jb's posts are anything but clear and concise.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 7, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
i care about basic rights being 'obstructed ', regardless of the perceived motivation.

just participated in a heated policy/action debate (with real, live people who can actually do something about it) about female only hours at public pools (a rapidly growing trend here in WA). This is primarily motivated by various religions who seek to segregate men and women during certain activities. Guess which side I took?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 7, 2014 - 07:57pm PT
Guess which side I took?

I don't care. A guy (a Christian, btw, being forced to convert to Islam first as prelude) getting his head cut off in less than a minute under chants of 'God is Great' - yes as "witnessed" on YouTube - concerns me more. And no, this doesn't mean 'Bomb them all!' as you cynics of getting involved/ getting informed have grown fond of proclaiming in your silly/pathetic sarcasm and caricature.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 7, 2014 - 08:35pm PT
Hold on there a minute. Lets not be to hasty stopping
the destruction. These nuts seem intent on reducing their
towns to rubble and then fighting over the piles of
shattered concrete.

Contain and degrade where needed but don't stand in the way of crazy.


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 7, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
America's equivalent of the Tea Baggers...
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Sep 7, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
BTW I would blame Obama more than Bush for the current conflagration there. His initial arming and support of the anti-Assad rebel forces ( the original ISIS) while simultaneously accelerating the withdrawal from Iraq--- all led to a power vacuum which ISIS rushed into. Thoroughly incompetent and egregiously stupid ---with both Kerry and Clinton deserving additional blame for their monumental brain-deadness. All of them are really bad jokes on the international scene----even more than Bush was, as hard as that is to believe.

Obama isn't a member of the Carlisle group, which has a Saudi princes and Bin Laden family ties, and he hasn't taken a Million bucks from both the a Carlisle group and prince Bandar personally for his "presidential library" which hasn't been built.

Bin Laden Family Is Tied To U.S. Group

By Wall Street Journal staff reporters Daniel Golden and James Bandler in Boston, and Marcus Walker in Hamburg, Germany

09/27/2001
The Wall Street Journal
Page A3
(Copyright (c) 2001, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)

If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden 's alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden 's family.

Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan -- which says it is estranged from Osama -- is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies.

Through this investment and its ties to Saudi royalty, the bin Laden family has become acquainted with some of the biggest names in the Republican Party. In recent years, former President Bush , ex-Secretary of State James Baker and ex-Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci have made the pilgrimage to the bin Laden family's headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Mr. Bush makes speeches on behalf of Carlyle Group and is senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund, while Mr. Baker is its senior counselor. Mr. Carlucci is the group's chairman.

Osama is one of more than 50 children of Mohammed bin Laden , who built the family's $5 billion business, Saudi Binladin Group, largely with construction contracts from the Saudi government. Osama worked briefly in the business and is believed to have inherited as much as $50 million from his father in cash and stock, although he doesn't have access to the shares, a family spokesman says. Because his Saudi citizenship was revoked in 1994, Mr. bin Laden is ineligible to own assets in the kingdom, the spokesman added.

The bin Laden family has long disavowed Osama, and has cooperated fully with several federal investigations into his activities. The family business, headed by Osama's half-brother Bakr, epitomizes the U.S.-Saudi alliance that the suspected terrorist often rails against. After the 1996 truck bombing in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, that killed 19 U.S. servicemen, Saudi Binladin Group built military barracks and airfields for U.S. troops.

But the Federal Bureau of Investigation has issued subpoenas to banks used by the bin Laden family seeking records of family dealings, a person familiar with the matter said. This person said the subpoenas weren't an indication the FBI had found any suspicious behavior by the family. A family spokesman said he had no knowledge of the subpoenas but that the family welcomes them and has nothing to hide.

People familiar with the family's finances say the bin Ladens do much of their banking with National Commercial Bank in Saudi Arabia and with the London branch of Deutsche Bank AG. They also use Citigroup Inc. and ABN Amro, the people said.

"If there were ever any company closely connected to the U.S. and its presence in Saudi Arabia, it's the Saudi Binladin Group," says Charles Freeman, president of the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington nonprofit concern that receives tens of thousands of dollars a year from the bin Laden family. "They're the establishment that Osama's trying to overthrow."

Mr. Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, says he has spoken to two of Osama's brothers since hijacked airplanes rammed the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11. They told him, he says, that the FBI has been "remarkably sensitive, tactful and protective" of the family during the current crisis, recognizing its longstanding friendship with the U.S.

A Carlyle executive said the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, the Carlyle executive said.

But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger. He called the $2 million merely an initial contribution. "It's like plowing a field," this person said. "You seed it once. You plow it, and then you reseed it again."

The Carlyle executive added that he would think twice before accepting any future investments by the bin Ladens. "The situation's changed now," he said. "I don't want to spend my life talking to reporters."

A U.S. inquiry into bin Laden family business dealings could brush against some big names associated with the U.S. government. Former President Bush said through his chief of staff, Jean Becker, that he recalled only one meeting with the bin Laden family, which took place in November 1998. Ms. Becker confirmed that there was a second meeting in January 2000, after being read the ex-president's subsequent thank-you note. "President Bush does not have a relationship with the bin Laden family," says Ms. Becker. "He's met them twice."

Mr. Baker visited the bin Laden family in both 1998 and 1999, according to people close to the family. In the second trip, he traveled on a family plane. Mr. Baker declined comment, as did Mr. Carlucci, a past chairman of Nortel Networks Corp., which has partnered with Saudi Binladin Group on telecommunications ventures.

Former President Carter met with 10 of Osama's brothers early in 2000 on a fund-raising trip for the Carter Center in Atlanta. According to John Hardman, executive director of the center, the brothers told Mr. Carter that Osama was completely removed from the family. After Mr. Carter and his wife followed up with breakfast with Bakr bin Laden in New York in September 2000, the bin Laden family gave $200,000 to the center. "We don't have any reason to think there's a connection" between Osama and the rest of the family, Mr. Hardman says.

During the past several years, the family's close ties to the Saudi royal family prompted executives and staff from closely held New York publisher Forbes Inc. to make two trips to the family headquarters, according to Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger, a former U.S. secretary of defense in the Reagan administration. "We would call on them to get their view of the country and what would be of interest to investors."

Mr. Weinberger said no trips to Saudi Arabia were planned. "If we went," he said, "we may or may not call upon them. I don't think the sins of the son should be visited on the father or the brother and the cousins and the aunts."

There is no indication President George W. Bush has met any of the bin Ladens, but he was indirectly linked to one of them two decades ago. His longtime friend James W. Bath, who met Mr. Bush when they were both pilots in the Air National Guard, acted as a Texas business representative for Osama's older brother, Salem bin Laden , from 1976 to 1988, when Salem died in a plane crash. Mr. Bath brought real-estate acquisitions and other deals to Salem bin Laden , an ebullient man who headed the family construction business. Mr. Bath generally received a 5% interest as his fee, and was sometimes listed as a trustee in related corporate documents. Mr. Bath acknowledged that during the same period he invested $50,000 in two funds controlled by Mr. Bush but said that stake was unrelated to his dealings with Mr. bin Laden .

Among the properties that Salem bin Laden bought on Mr. Bath's recommendation was the Houston Gulf Airport, a lightly used airfield in League City, Texas, 25 miles east of Houston. But Mr. bin Laden 's hope that it would develop a major overflow airport for Houston never materialized, in part due to concern over wetlands. Ever since his death, his estate has sought to sell the airfield -- without success. Today, it is still on the market.

(See related letter: "Letters to the Editor: All in the Family" -- WSJ October 2, 2001)

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The scion of the Bin Laden family was prince Saud's doctor, and the bin Laden family is the largest construction operation in the Middle East. They often use Haliburton in their dealings.

And there is pretty good evidence that the family funneled money to Osama right up until he was killed.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Sep 7, 2014 - 09:12pm PT
I give up. We're f*#ked!!!

I'm locked/loaded, f*#k y'all. I'm tired of this bullsh#t. Keep on keeping on with your gadgets. Don't look ahead.

People are too stupid to see what's in front of them. Sad....
Degaine

climber
Sep 8, 2014 - 12:30am PT
Bluering wrote:
Did you ever do ANYTHING, war-hero?

I already know your response is to NEVER intervene, an that is f*#king weak.


We've already proven time again that you're just a bunch of angry posts on the Internet, and that when it comes to reality, most of us have done far more than you for the troops and for this country.

You have no skin in the game, full stop. While posting on the Internet is fun, most of us don't just sit around whining, we act.

And I don't care about your military contract, Halliburton has many of them. They doesn't mean they have skin in the game, nor does it make them especially patriotic. Corporate welfare queens? Perhaps.

Put your money where your mouth is and enlist.

Or even easier ('cause I know you always like to take the easy way out) just tone down the rhetoric a little and stop being a motherf*#king prick and demonizing everyone who doesn't 100% agree with you.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Sep 8, 2014 - 08:21am PT
Obama has a plan coming this Wednesday meanwhile ISIS is killing innocent people.

Reagan would have already!!!!
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Sep 8, 2014 - 08:53am PT
Reagan would have already!!!!


Yup. He would've been stampeded into bombing Assad over the poison gas usage and ISIS would be neatly entrenched over all of Syria now.
crankster

Trad climber
Sep 8, 2014 - 08:54am PT
Nancy Reagan? Certainly not her husband. This is a little more complicated than Grenada.
WBraun

climber
Sep 8, 2014 - 09:06am PT
On July 3rd, 1979, the CIA gave birth to Islamic Fundamentalism when President Carter signed a directive for United States Intelligence
to provide radical Islamic thinking and arms to Afghan fighters, before the Soviet Union invaded.
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