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John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 28, 2014 - 03:44am PT
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 28, 2014 - 06:52am PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/middleeast/army-know-how-seen-as-factor-in-isis-successes.html?google_editors_picks=true&_r=0

Looks to me like there are a lot of ex-Baathist members wreaking havoc in Iraq, Westerners and foreigners aside. Naive? Don't think so.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:13am PT
Our current military is all volunteer. They all chose to join, which means they chose to do whatever dirty work was asked.

Yes its like hiring a plumber. Has all the same commitment too, citizen.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:19am PT
So if I want a cop to protect me, instead of calling 911, I should just take justice into my own hands. I have to become a cop to advocate that cops defend their citizens?

No.

What about paramedics and the fire department.
No.

This is a stupid straw-man argument
No its spot on. I noticed decades ago there were millions of freeloaders in this country who talk a lot of sh#t about war but never ever put skin in the game. You're one of those people.

because you guys have nothing else. You don't want to see ISIS obliterated by massive American firepower?
I want you to walk your talk, son.

I'll flip this on you.
Like hell you will.

What if your stupid pacifist policies of not executing these thugs and leaving a wide-open southern border under-defended leads to the loss of life in YOUR family.
No let's say it leads to the loss of YOUR family, instead.

Would that change your mind?
No because I'm not a pacifist. I'm not a blowhard either.

I guarantee you that these rat-f*#ks are going to exploit our border and they want to kill us.
You're afraid. How cute. So of course you get the children of others to drop bombs on people on the other side of the world, to assuage that fear. That is exactly what led to the destruction of Iraq and the rise of ISIS you goddamn fool!

Our current course actually allows it to happen.
First intelligent thing you've written in years.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:20am PT
tiogajox the fake russian lol.

DMT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:29am PT
Aug 27, 2014, Hannity vs Anjem Choudary...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki8EipzCHb4

For every Douglas McArthur McCain (sociopolitical discontent who buys an "Islam for Dummies" enflight to the ME) there is an Anjem Choudary (devout servant of God).

And a fundamentalist Christian, like Ken Ham. (The Lie: Evolution)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary


Abrahamic religion poisons everything. (C Hitchens)
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:29am PT
when in fear
when in doubt
run in circles
scream and shout
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:53am PT
Possibly one of the 3-5 times I've agreed with Hannity, but he's such a flaming dick as an interviewer. That was not an interview.

And ShariaFool should have known better. Two baboons yelling at each other, weeeeeeeee!!!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 28, 2014 - 08:05am PT
I know, I started feeling bad just after I posted. For not giving a warning re this flaming dick and of course the other guy, too.

Two baboons yelling at each other, weeeeeeeee!!!

I'm afraid it won't be the last time we see it. And worse.

This Choudary of Britain has four kids, I wonder their belief system?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 28, 2014 - 08:14am PT
This Choudary of Britain has four kids, I wonder their belief system?


If he's a good and gentle father, as most Muslims I've met, then sadly, they will grow up believing him.

Global caliphate/sharia? Yeah, good luck with that one buckethead.....
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 28, 2014 - 10:30am PT
You don't want to see ISIS obliterated by massive American firepower?

I don't think it is a small issue to understand that ISIS CANNOT be obliterated by American firepower.

This lesson seems to have to be learned over and over again. Colin Powell laid it out clearly in "The Commanders" by Bob Woodward (outstanding book, BTW).

You can hit some tanks and vehicles, but that is not what makes up ISIS or any other unconventional army.

You would have thought that Viet Nam would have taught us, where we had total air superiority, and huge technological advantages.....and lost.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 28, 2014 - 10:34am PT
Armchair warriors have short memories, or none at all. It just excites them, thinking about all that sh#t that goes BOOM!
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Aug 28, 2014 - 10:58am PT
You can hit some tanks and vehicles, but that is not what makes up ISIS or any other unconventional army.

I don't think ISIS (or whatever its nom du jour may be) behaves like an unconventional army, other than its lack of uniforms. It behaves like a conquerging nation from antiquity, for the following reasons:

1. It levies taxes (called by its critics extorition);

2. It exercises control over definable geographic areas;

3. It engages in ethnic and religious extermination of all but its own;

4. It uses the resources of the entire area it conquers as a source of revenue; and

5. It purports to (and apparently does) have a formal governmental apparatus.

Point 3, in particular, separates ISIS from, say, the Seljuk or Ottoman Turks, the Romans, the Persians under Cyrus or Alexander's Macedonians. It reminds me more of, say, the Assyrians under Sargon or Sennecharib, or the Mongols who annhialated the conquered people and killed or forced into exile those who would not assimilate.

Sitting on our hands on this one strikes me as an exceptionally poor decision.

John
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 28, 2014 - 02:30pm PT
The world needs more maajid's...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/08/28/ac-maajid-nawaz.cnn.html

.....

Side note...

This is scary, too: Russia's conduct of late.

A geography lesson for Putin...

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 28, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
Yeah well none (zero) of its neighbors like Russia either. So don't cry for those bastards, ok? They're just poor dicks instead of rich ones. Especially tioga, (no job ;) )



DMT
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 28, 2014 - 05:22pm PT
Yes Dingus,

But a poor dick can be transformed into a FLAMING DICK !

Much thanks for that incredibly humourous definition, Survival.

Maybe we all could actually live in peace if there was only one rule of engagement:

You and your enemy can only fight each other with FLAMING DICKS !
Binks

climber
Uranus
Aug 28, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
ISIS is just another neocon plot with a catchy name. I'm already bored of the story line.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 28, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
So if Obama decides to unleash the Hounds of Hell upon the heads of the Sand Gangstas,
and I'm still somewhat dubious that he will do so unequivocally, one question
would seem to be how comfortable Turkey and Saudi Arabia will be to allow us
to use our air bases there. It will be interesting to see how much we'll have
to sweeten the deal. I'm sure the rug merchants will drive a hard and highly
lucrative bargain and, as usual, they'll take great pleasure in denying us
the use of any lubricant.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
You're afraid. How cute. So of course you get the children of others to drop bombs on people on the other side of the world, to assuage that fear. That is exactly what led to the destruction of Iraq and the rise of ISIS you goddamn fool!

Ah, the equivocation and the '"we caused this" meme. This is f*#king tired. How far do we have to go back to see who is right or who is wrong? How many years? The first crusade, or the start of the islamic caliphate?

You're a hypocrite when you say;
No its spot on. I noticed decades ago there were millions of freeloaders in this country who talk a lot of sh#t about war but never ever put skin in the game. You're one of those people.

But just before that you say it's different for me to support police to control local law enforcement. That it's ok to support local jurisdiction but supporting foreign ops is war mongering?

When these bastards from Minnesota and Dearborn, Mich. come home and something happens, we'll revisit this argument.

If everybody who supported the military and military action enlisted, what would our economy look like? You make a fabulously ridiculous argument.

Also, DMT, do you support decimating ISIS? How would you do it? What would you advocate?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:34pm PT
Bluering,

The difference is in definition. The police and fire fighters are civilians who are obligated under the same common law as you and I.

The military is different legally and has the authority to send you to your death in pursuit of political goals.

That's why there is a much higher level of interest and scrutiny in what is done on behalf of any country by it's military. A fire fighter or cop can say, "f*#k you, I quit" with no more than the last paycheque being late in the mail as a consequence.

A soldier saying f*#k you may be shot dead on orders from a fellow countryman.

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