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sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 27, 2014 - 09:22am PT
What comprises the bulk of IS? Disaffected iraqi sunni and syrian war orphans? Remnants of Saddam's army that were disbanded?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 27, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
Don't ask others to do what you would not. Do not sacrifice American teenagers, so that you can keep your own teenagers close.

This is utterly stupid. So if I want a cop to protect me, instead of calling 911, I should just take justice into my own hands. I have to become a cop to advocate that cops defend their citizens?

What about paramedics and the fire department.

This is a stupid straw-man argument because you guys have nothing else. You don't want to see ISIS obliterated by massive American firepower?

I'll flip this on you. What if your stupid pacifist policies of not executing these thugs and leaving a wide-open southern border under-defended leads to the loss of life in YOUR family.

Would that change your mind? I guarantee you that these rat-f*#ks are going to exploit our border and they want to kill us.

Our current course actually allows it to happen.

EDIT ;
What comprises the bulk of IS? Disaffected iraqi sunni and syrian war orphans? Remnants of Saddam's army that were disbanded?


That's naive. Now there are people flocking there from all over. And from Western countries.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 27, 2014 - 06:55pm PT
Tioga, rather than endlessly bitch about "western brats" why don't you quit yer bitching, and go back to whatever Sheetholistan you came from?
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Aug 27, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
...Washington’s announcement that the US government has no plans to coordinate US attacks on ISIS on Syrian territory with the Syrian government. Washington recognizes no limitations on its use of force, and the sovereignty of countries provides no inhibition.

In Washington coercion has supplanted the rule of law.

Syria has every right to be nervous. The reason ISIS is operating on Syrian territory is that Washington armed them and sent them to Syria. Washington’s air strikes on ISIS could very well be cover for air strikes on Syrian armed forces.

Here we see the complete failure of the Obama regime. As in Libya, the Obama regime set jihadists lose on Syria, pretending that they were fighting for democracy against a dictator. But Washington lost control over its monster which has gobbled up large parts of Syria and Iraq and is forming them into a new country hostile both to the West and to the Muslim vassals of the West.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/27/leninist-white-house-paul-craig-roberts/
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 27, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
Ah HAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! !

Steve now holds the rank of Field Marshal within the suburban confines of Santa Clara.

Hey Steve, is what the military does the same as what you feel as a commercial consumer ? Is it the same as complaining that the waiter was slow in delivering your drink when someone who actually knows what's going on doesn't start hacking up those who displease you ?

"Volunteering" is a poor excuse for what used to involve everyone and their children. It was called the draft, and your little boy was once an object of the meatgrinder whether or not you had an opinion as a parent.

So go f*#k yourself unless it's cool with you that a bunch of senators and congresspeople you've never met, think it's A-OK to take your 18 year old child and have other people you've never met shoot bullets at him.

I can't speak for him but I think this is what Dingus is talking about.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 27, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
Steve now holds the rank of Field Marshal within the suburban confines of Santa Clara.

I'd prefer an advisory role. A governed class select how the governors proceed. It's a Founding Fathers thing, those stupid fools...

Hey Steve, is what the military does the same as what you feel as a commercial consumer ? Is it the same as complaining that the waiter was slow in delivering your drink when someone who actually knows what's going on doesn't start hacking up those who displease you ?

Not sure I get this. What do you mean? The point?

"Volunteering" is a poor excuse for what used to involve everyone and their children. It was called the draft, and your little boy was once an object of the meatgrinder whether or not you had an opinion as a parent.

So go f*#k yourself unless it's cool with you that a bunch of senators and congresspeople you've never met, think it's A-OK to take your 18 year old child and have other people you've never met shoot bullets at him.

I can't speak for him but I think this is what Dingus is talking about.

Living in the past, uh? Or should i say, "stuck in the past".

There is no draft, so what is the f*#king relevance. Everybody is volunteer now, and they know damn well the relevance of signing up. We are in a global conflict, and have been for over 15 years.

Your arguments are weak at best.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 27, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
As for weak arguments, there is a weakness in a lot of people regarding the true difference between what is presently called a voluntary military and what used to involve conscription. The fact is that it's the same people from the same places that go and do your dirty work for you.

This is old ground involving your privileged opinions and love of patriotism without having much to do with it personally.

Steve, you actually posted about your duty being part of the production end of the effort to defend peace and democracy. Then later, you went on about how tough it is to make a buck by repairing guitar amplifiers.

Huh ?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Aug 27, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
The fact is that it's the same people from the same places that go and do your dirty work for you.

There might be some folks here old enough to remember where this began...

"Put a nigger behind the trigger and send him off to 'Nam"
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 28, 2014 - 12:00am PT
Truman's daughter fought in Korea?

Oops! That was my error. It was actually Truman himself who had to repeatedly try to join the army, as he was medically exempt.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 28, 2014 - 03:44am PT
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 28, 2014 - 06:52am PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/middleeast/army-know-how-seen-as-factor-in-isis-successes.html?google_editors_picks=true&_r=0

Looks to me like there are a lot of ex-Baathist members wreaking havoc in Iraq, Westerners and foreigners aside. Naive? Don't think so.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:13am PT
Our current military is all volunteer. They all chose to join, which means they chose to do whatever dirty work was asked.

Yes its like hiring a plumber. Has all the same commitment too, citizen.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:19am PT
So if I want a cop to protect me, instead of calling 911, I should just take justice into my own hands. I have to become a cop to advocate that cops defend their citizens?

No.

What about paramedics and the fire department.
No.

This is a stupid straw-man argument
No its spot on. I noticed decades ago there were millions of freeloaders in this country who talk a lot of sh#t about war but never ever put skin in the game. You're one of those people.

because you guys have nothing else. You don't want to see ISIS obliterated by massive American firepower?
I want you to walk your talk, son.

I'll flip this on you.
Like hell you will.

What if your stupid pacifist policies of not executing these thugs and leaving a wide-open southern border under-defended leads to the loss of life in YOUR family.
No let's say it leads to the loss of YOUR family, instead.

Would that change your mind?
No because I'm not a pacifist. I'm not a blowhard either.

I guarantee you that these rat-f*#ks are going to exploit our border and they want to kill us.
You're afraid. How cute. So of course you get the children of others to drop bombs on people on the other side of the world, to assuage that fear. That is exactly what led to the destruction of Iraq and the rise of ISIS you goddamn fool!

Our current course actually allows it to happen.
First intelligent thing you've written in years.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:20am PT
tiogajox the fake russian lol.

DMT
WBraun

climber
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:21am PT
Stooopid Americans believe the lies, propaganda and distortions coming from Wall Street Journal, NYT, and CNN (CIA News network).

They are completely controlled by the same aszholes that are giving you ISIS ....
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:29am PT
Aug 27, 2014, Hannity vs Anjem Choudary...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki8EipzCHb4

For every Douglas McArthur McCain (sociopolitical discontent who buys an "Islam for Dummies" enflight to the ME) there is an Anjem Choudary (devout servant of God).

And a fundamentalist Christian, like Ken Ham. (The Lie: Evolution)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary


Abrahamic religion poisons everything. (C Hitchens)
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:29am PT
when in fear
when in doubt
run in circles
scream and shout
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 28, 2014 - 07:53am PT
Possibly one of the 3-5 times I've agreed with Hannity, but he's such a flaming dick as an interviewer. That was not an interview.

And ShariaFool should have known better. Two baboons yelling at each other, weeeeeeeee!!!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 28, 2014 - 08:05am PT
I know, I started feeling bad just after I posted. For not giving a warning re this flaming dick and of course the other guy, too.

Two baboons yelling at each other, weeeeeeeee!!!

I'm afraid it won't be the last time we see it. And worse.

This Choudary of Britain has four kids, I wonder their belief system?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 28, 2014 - 08:14am PT
This Choudary of Britain has four kids, I wonder their belief system?


If he's a good and gentle father, as most Muslims I've met, then sadly, they will grow up believing him.

Global caliphate/sharia? Yeah, good luck with that one buckethead.....
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