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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 29, 2014 - 05:38pm PT


crankster

Trad climber
Aug 29, 2014 - 06:11pm PT
The president is acting properly. You wants another Iraq debacle? There's not a simple strategy for ever situation ready at the wait.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 29, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
Many of the ISIS terrorists have been breathing chem-trail residue and will likely show up on high resolution , infra-red surveillance photography making easy targets for drone warfare...
johnboy

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Aug 29, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
The fear is palpable in this thread.

It's no wonder we Americans are so quick to throw our might is right
attitude into places we don't belong.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 29, 2014 - 08:54pm PT
How many times do I have to say AC-130 gunships?

Sats and AC-130's. Easy.....
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 30, 2014 - 08:33am PT
I have to assume that the ISIS reputation is not a fabrication of the CIA and "trickster Hollywood Jews " armed with cgi special effects. But I have no doubt that US foreign policy helped to create ISIS

US foreign policy may have influenced this, but only because WE strive for peace and justice as seen through the prism of Western ideology.

I'm concerned that a half million jihadist fanatics from Northern Africa will settle in the new Islamic State--it must be far better than living in their slums. What will stop them from igniting half the oil wells in the region? And who wants to pay 500 dollars for a tank of gas?

They are driven by Islamic fanaticism and ideology. Their "despair" is a result of the leadership they choose, Islamic fanaticism. Again, this is where we step in and try to show them the "right way".

I also think the US should cut off all military aid sent to Israel. Israel is a wealthy country that can afford to defend itself

Couldn't agree more. Israel can defend itself. However, we should still have it's back when ganged-up on regionally and in the UN. They are an ally. And like Britain, they don't need our money, just our support.
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 30, 2014 - 11:53am PT
Amen. Great article.

To Defeat Terror, We Need the World’s Help
John Kerry: The Threat of ISIS Demands a Global Coalition
IN a polarized region and a complicated world, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria presents a unifying threat to a broad array of countries, including the United States. What’s needed to confront its nihilistic vision and genocidal agenda is a global coalition using political, humanitarian, economic, law enforcement and intelligence tools to support military force.

In addition to its beheadings, crucifixions and other acts of sheer evil, which have killed thousands of innocents in Syria, Iraq and Lebanon, including Sunni Muslims whose faith it purports to represent, ISIS (which the United States government calls ISIL, or the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) poses a threat well beyond the region.

ISIS has its origins in what was once known as Al Qaeda in Iraq, which has over a decade of experience in extremist violence. The group has amassed a hardened fighting force of committed jihadists with global ambitions, exploiting the conflict in Syria and sectarian tensions in Iraq. Its leaders have repeatedly threatened the United States, and in May an ISIS-associated terrorist shot and killed three people at the Jewish Museum in Brussels. (A fourth victim died 13 days later.) ISIS’ cadre of foreign fighters are a rising threat not just in the region, but anywhere they could manage to travel undetected — including to America.

There is evidence that these extremists, if left unchecked, will not be satisfied at stopping with Syria and Iraq. They are larger and better funded in this new incarnation, using pirated oil, kidnapping and extortion to finance operations in Syria and Iraq. They are equipped with sophisticated heavy weapons looted from the battlefield. They have already demonstrated the ability to seize and hold more territory than any other terrorist organization, in a strategic region that borders Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey and is perilously close to Israel.

ISIS fighters have exhibited repulsive savagery and cruelty. Even as they butcher Shiite Muslims and Christians in their effort to touch off a broader ethnic and sectarian conflict, they pursue a calculated strategy of killing fellow Sunni Muslims to gain and hold territory. The beheading of an American journalist, James Foley, has shocked the conscience of the world.

With a united response led by the United States and the broadest possible coalition of nations, the cancer of ISIS will not be allowed to spread to other countries. The world can confront this scourge, and ultimately defeat it. ISIS is odious, but not omnipotent. We have proof already in northern Iraq, where United States airstrikes have shifted the momentum of the fight, providing space for Iraqi and Kurdish forces to go on the offensive. With our support, Iraqi leaders are coming together to form a new, inclusive government that is essential to isolating ISIS and securing the support of all of Iraq’s communities.

Airstrikes alone won’t defeat this enemy. A much fuller response is demanded from the world. We need to support Iraqi forces and the moderate Syrian opposition, who are facing ISIS on the front lines. We need to disrupt and degrade ISIS’ capabilities and counter its extremist message in the media. And we need to strengthen our own defenses and cooperation in protecting our people.
Next week, on the sidelines of the NATO summit meeting in Wales, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and I will meet with our counterparts from our European allies. The goal is to enlist the broadest possible assistance. Following the meeting, Mr. Hagel and I plan to travel to the Middle East to develop more support for the coalition among the countries that are most directly threatened.

The United States will hold the presidency of the United Nations Security Council in September, and we will use that opportunity to continue to build a broad coalition and highlight the danger posed by foreign terrorist fighters, including those who have joined ISIS. During the General Assembly session, President Obama will lead a summit meeting of the Security Council to put forward a plan to deal with this collective threat.

In this battle, there is a role for almost every country. Some will provide military assistance, direct and indirect. Some will provide desperately needed humanitarian assistance for the millions who have been displaced and victimized across the region. Others will help restore not just shattered economies but broken trust among neighbors. This effort is underway in Iraq, where other countries have joined us in providing humanitarian aid, military assistance and support for an inclusive government.

Already our efforts have brought dozens of nations to this cause. Certainly there are different interests at play. But no decent country can support the horrors perpetrated by ISIS, and no civilized country should shirk its responsibility to help stamp out this disease.

ISIS’ abhorrent tactics are uniting and rallying neighbors with traditionally conflicting interests to support Iraq’s new government. And over time, this coalition can begin to address the underlying factors that fuel ISIS and other terrorist organizations with like-minded agendas.

Coalition building is hard work, but it is the best way to tackle a common enemy. When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, the first President George Bush and Secretary of State James A. Baker III did not act alone or in haste. They methodically assembled a coalition of countries whose concerted action brought a quick victory.

Extremists are defeated only when responsible nations and their peoples unite to oppose them.

John Kerry is the secretary of state of the United States.

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 30, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
Israel should worry. I think much of Palestine would swear to ISIS. Beheadings aren't gonna turn them off.

ISIS, has turned the unusual, into the everyday. Attacks begin, with suicide truck bombs in crucial areas. Jihadists storm in through the smoke. Executions follow. All of this, has been going on there forever, but the sheer volume is novel.
Bargainhunter

climber
Aug 30, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
ISIS criminal psychopaths taking over Iraq and Syria and terrorizing the populace like the Nazis did. They certainly should be contained by a global force, because the alternative is much worse. Let this incident be a lesson for those nations/people with a weak military that cannot respond to such a threat. It's really is a regional conflict and the neighbors in this region should have organized a response. Why didn't they? Why does the US frequently have to travel around the globe to mop up other people's mess? What happened to self-reliance?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 30, 2014 - 03:43pm PT
The time tested way to fix(destroy) a country(dictatorship)
was to waste a large chunk of the population and infrastructure.
Break that cultures connection to past ways of thinking and doing.
Then start clean with (your)new culture.


Warning history content!
The Mongols sacked Bagdad is 1258 when it would not surrender and join
a multi-national army (soldiers from France to China were under the Mongols
command). And aid in conquering more of the Tigris-Euphrates valleys.

As punishment they killed just about every local,mass executions took most
of February 1258, leaving the entire region severly depopulated.

ISIS using the Mongol business model. Copy cats.

WBraun

climber
Aug 30, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
Why does the US frequently have to travel around the globe to mop up other people's mess?


The US is the one that makes the mess to begin with.

Stupid Americans have no clue .....
Bargainhunter

climber
Aug 30, 2014 - 04:44pm PT
Werner, when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, we responded because Kuwait was our ally; no neighboring country in the region bothered despite their wealth (nor was likely capable) of standing up for Kuwait. Subsequent wars in the region further destabilized Iraq, but we also helped rebuild the region and advised for pluralism and inclusion. We invested in their police force and military.

Ultimately, a country has to take it's own initiative and finish the work itself and decide to become functional, as Europe and Japan did after WWII. Iraq failed in this and the consequence of this incompetence and lassitude has been demonstrated by the Isis invasion and atrocities.

Furthermore, the origin of Isis was the civil war in Syria, not by "stupid Americans."

You've got to dig a little deeper Werner; cutting and pasting your same old line doesn't add much to the discussion.
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 30, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
And lithium and vodka don't mix.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 30, 2014 - 05:24pm PT
when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, we responded because Kuwait was our ally; no neighboring country in the region bothered despite their wealth (nor was likely capable) of standing up for Kuwait. Subsequent wars in the region further destabilized Iraq, but we also helped rebuild the region and advised for pluralism and inclusion.

There were 37 members of the coalition, which included a number of middle eastern countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_Gulf_War
crankster

Trad climber
Aug 30, 2014 - 05:28pm PT
Doubt we will find a coalition of the willing, but a reluctant one will do.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 30, 2014 - 06:38pm PT
SIS using the Mongol business model. Copy cats.

Nah, that never occurred to them. If you read their handbook, (link previously posted) they are modeling themselves on their founders actions in Medina, Mecca and environs.

Same general result though.

Strategy is easy, if you kill enough of them they will quit fighting

Works both ways.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 30, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
What it IS? I have a clue: US foreign policy=exploitation of natural resources. US wouldn't give a flying f*#k if it wasn't for oil revenue/production potential, kurds, Yazidi, Iraqi christians aside. That's what it IS...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 30, 2014 - 10:16pm PT
Great opportunity for the anti-muslims to join something that will really make a difference:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/31/us/new-york-kkk-recruitment/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Finally, a place all their own!
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 31, 2014 - 06:39am PT
Obama sure f*#ked this one up. Should have been the Marines who liberated Amerli. If he was a real president, like Dubya or Palin, there would have already been another surge, but one in Syria too. Syria would be a cakewalk with the armchairs calling the shots. Just make sure some more acreage at Arlington is available.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-military-airstrikes-in-iraq-boost-morale-of-thousands-of-besieged-residents/2014/08/31/4cc50f94-30d9-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Aug 31, 2014 - 08:05am PT
So, "good news".

IRBIL, Iraq — Iraqi troops aided by U.S. airstrikes entered the besieged town of Amerli Sunday, residents and Iraqi officials said, after a months-long blockade by Islamic State militants that had surrounded the Shiite Turkmen village and raised fears of an impending massacre.

Karim al-Nouri, a high-ranking official in the Badr Brigades, a large Shiite militia, said that around 7:30 p.m. Saturday, thousands of the militia’s fighters moved toward the nearby Sunni town of Suleiman Beg, thought to be under the Islamic State’s control. Nouri said the operation was carried out in collaboration with other armed groups, the Iraqi air force and army.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-military-airstrikes-in-iraq-boost-morale-of-thousands-of-besieged-residents/2014/08/31/4cc50f94-30d9-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html

whoo, the Badr Brigades. We had our own encounters, and not good, IIRC. What a mess this is.
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