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sandstone conglomerate
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sharon conglomerate central
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Aug 28, 2014 - 07:29am PT
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when in fear
when in doubt
run in circles
scream and shout
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 28, 2014 - 07:53am PT
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Possibly one of the 3-5 times I've agreed with Hannity, but he's such a flaming dick as an interviewer. That was not an interview.
And ShariaFool should have known better. Two baboons yelling at each other, weeeeeeeee!!!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 28, 2014 - 08:05am PT
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I know, I started feeling bad just after I posted. For not giving a warning re this flaming dick and of course the other guy, too.
Two baboons yelling at each other, weeeeeeeee!!!
I'm afraid it won't be the last time we see it. And worse.
This Choudary of Britain has four kids, I wonder their belief system?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 28, 2014 - 08:14am PT
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This Choudary of Britain has four kids, I wonder their belief system?
If he's a good and gentle father, as most Muslims I've met, then sadly, they will grow up believing him.
Global caliphate/sharia? Yeah, good luck with that one buckethead.....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 28, 2014 - 10:30am PT
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You don't want to see ISIS obliterated by massive American firepower?
I don't think it is a small issue to understand that ISIS CANNOT be obliterated by American firepower.
This lesson seems to have to be learned over and over again. Colin Powell laid it out clearly in "The Commanders" by Bob Woodward (outstanding book, BTW).
You can hit some tanks and vehicles, but that is not what makes up ISIS or any other unconventional army.
You would have thought that Viet Nam would have taught us, where we had total air superiority, and huge technological advantages.....and lost.
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sandstone conglomerate
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sharon conglomerate central
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Aug 28, 2014 - 10:34am PT
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Armchair warriors have short memories, or none at all. It just excites them, thinking about all that sh#t that goes BOOM!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Aug 28, 2014 - 10:58am PT
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You can hit some tanks and vehicles, but that is not what makes up ISIS or any other unconventional army.
I don't think ISIS (or whatever its nom du jour may be) behaves like an unconventional army, other than its lack of uniforms. It behaves like a conquerging nation from antiquity, for the following reasons:
1. It levies taxes (called by its critics extorition);
2. It exercises control over definable geographic areas;
3. It engages in ethnic and religious extermination of all but its own;
4. It uses the resources of the entire area it conquers as a source of revenue; and
5. It purports to (and apparently does) have a formal governmental apparatus.
Point 3, in particular, separates ISIS from, say, the Seljuk or Ottoman Turks, the Romans, the Persians under Cyrus or Alexander's Macedonians. It reminds me more of, say, the Assyrians under Sargon or Sennecharib, or the Mongols who annhialated the conquered people and killed or forced into exile those who would not assimilate.
Sitting on our hands on this one strikes me as an exceptionally poor decision.
John
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Binks
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Uranus
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Aug 28, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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ISIS is just another neocon plot with a catchy name. I'm already bored of the story line.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 28, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
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So if Obama decides to unleash the Hounds of Hell upon the heads of the Sand Gangstas,
and I'm still somewhat dubious that he will do so unequivocally, one question
would seem to be how comfortable Turkey and Saudi Arabia will be to allow us
to use our air bases there. It will be interesting to see how much we'll have
to sweeten the deal. I'm sure the rug merchants will drive a hard and highly
lucrative bargain and, as usual, they'll take great pleasure in denying us
the use of any lubricant.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 28, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
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You're afraid. How cute. So of course you get the children of others to drop bombs on people on the other side of the world, to assuage that fear. That is exactly what led to the destruction of Iraq and the rise of ISIS you goddamn fool!
Ah, the equivocation and the '"we caused this" meme. This is f*#king tired. How far do we have to go back to see who is right or who is wrong? How many years? The first crusade, or the start of the islamic caliphate?
You're a hypocrite when you say;
No its spot on. I noticed decades ago there were millions of freeloaders in this country who talk a lot of sh#t about war but never ever put skin in the game. You're one of those people.
But just before that you say it's different for me to support police to control local law enforcement. That it's ok to support local jurisdiction but supporting foreign ops is war mongering?
When these bastards from Minnesota and Dearborn, Mich. come home and something happens, we'll revisit this argument.
If everybody who supported the military and military action enlisted, what would our economy look like? You make a fabulously ridiculous argument.
Also, DMT, do you support decimating ISIS? How would you do it? What would you advocate?
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crankster
Trad climber
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Aug 28, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
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Aug 28, 2014 - 04:57pm PT
CNN is full of sh!t.
Lying aszholes that are the huge problem with their fuked up propaganda against everyone on the planet to make USA look like they're not doing anything wrong.
USA its allies and the EU are the big aggressors against Russia to keep their petro dollar alive.
CNN and the major US media is lying like hell .....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 28, 2014 - 11:05pm PT
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Point 3, in particular, separates ISIS from, say, the Seljuk or Ottoman Turks, the Romans, the Persians under Cyrus or Alexander's Macedonians. It reminds me more of, say, the Assyrians under Sargon or Sennecharib, or the Mongols who annhialated the conquered people and killed or forced into exile those who would not assimilate.
Sitting on our hands on this one strikes me as an exceptionally poor decision.
John, I don't know what the papers you read are saying, but we are not sitting on our hands.
However, if you are in favor of sending our Army and Marines into the situation, I greatly disagree. I don't disagree with airpower, as we are doing now.
The problem with your comparisons is: How do you tell apart people in civilian clothes and vehicles, at 10,000 feet?
But I think negotiating with other powers in the region to put THEIR boots on the ground, is very reasonable, and necessary.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Aug 28, 2014 - 11:13pm PT
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Conspiracy theory time: 'THEY' are doing a swell job of
keeping the IRS scandal out of the news cycle. Wars, jet crashes,
terrorists, child boarder invasions, black suicide by cop, etc.
Definitely got the 'A' team working full time. :P
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Degaine
climber
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Aug 29, 2014 - 09:10am PT
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JEleazarian wrote:
Sitting on our hands on this one strikes me as an exceptionally poor decision.
With all due respect, but given the quagmires in Afghanistan and Iraq, you'll have to forgive me if I completely dismiss and disregard the opinion and advice of a declared Republican on this particular issue.
Cheers and all the best.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Aug 29, 2014 - 10:03am PT
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Yup.
The Republicans have been and continue to be so wrong. Their endless wars, are a deficit loving policy.
The Mitch McConnell sellout of the shutdown, for 2 billion, shows they have zero moral compass.
The Islamic World has to decide where their future lies. In fact, we're fortunate, this war is finally being fought on their soil by them. Time to let it stew. I hope the IS, heads towards Mecca. Then we shall see.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 29, 2014 - 11:08am PT
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John Kerry, said Isis “must be destroyed”
Secretary of State Kerry ^^^
“It is possible to contain them,” Dempsey said,
Dempsey, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, said this about ISIS a few days after Kerry's comment
“Isil is as sophisticated and well funded as any group that we have seen. They’re beyond just a terrorist group. They marry ideology, a sophistication of strategic and tactical military prowess, they are tremendously well funded. Oh, this is beyond anything that we’ve seen, so we must prepare for everything,” Hagel said.
Defense Secretary Hagel said this recently about ISIS . ^^^
"As it relates to the United States' national terror alert system, I don’t anticipate at this point that there’s a plan to change that level," White House press secretary Josh Earnest said.
White House Press boy said the above after British PM Cameron raised the UK terror alert through the roof.
"We don't have a strategy yet."
Obama said the above yesterday just a few days after ending 2 weeks of playing golf.
This grotesque level of incompetence is breathtaking.
This failure of leadership is a national and international embarrassment of the highest order, as well as representing a very great danger to the US and other countries.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 29, 2014 - 11:39am PT
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The party line still is that Ft Hood was just workplace violence
In the undated letter, Hasan -- who fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 at Fort Hood in 2009 in what the Defense Department called “workplace violence”-- tells ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi that he wants to join the caliphate.
"I formally and humbly request to be made a citizen of the Islamic State,”Hasan says in the handwritten document addressed to “Ameer, Mujahid Dr. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/29/fort-hood-shooter-says-want-to-become-citizen-islamic-state-caliphate/
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