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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 24, 2014 - 11:55pm PT
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What's so disappointing though is how many take up sides with the Muslims no questions asked
So here is HFCS revealing himself as the anti- american, pro-ISIS that he is.
He keeps fighting for the right to smear all muslims, everywhere...those who are moderate (he says there are none), those who are our allies (he says there are none), those who just want to lead a peaceful life (he absolutely does not believe there are any).
He does this with unsupported opinions and fabricated videos. while, despite his statement to the contrary, LOTS of people are asking LOTS of questions.
Why does he do this? He wants America to be bloodied, to be taken down a step. He wants to take the anti-American muslims, and increase their number TENFOLD.
Why does he hate America and the west? I dunno. Maybe he's having trouble changing his diaper today.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 25, 2014 - 12:22am PT
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Just how informed are some of you posters?
Me? I don't know shite. But as much as I dislike Dubya Bush and never voted for Obama, this is beyond their "pale". Doesn't matter who is POTUS, Ward and others, blame who you want for these atrocities, but they are not the making of the US, though we do not really help much, in fact, in these psychopaths' eyes, we are the problem. BS.
This sectarian violence has been going on for centuries. It is just that the "West" gets in the "mix" because of oil.
Read your history. And understand.
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And hegemony. Through the course of humanity, nation states have wanted to, hmmm… be the bosses, so to speak. Religion, for better or worse, has played a huge, HUGE, role in this.
But in my opinion, religion is just a way to control people. If it was not for religion, there would be another 'method'.
When are we really going to grow up, as a species?
ISIS, the Islamic State, is what? Chuck Hagel states that nothing we have seen before.
Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, the Monroe Doctrine that allowed us Americans to decimate native indigenous people? Where to start, where to begin… and where to end.
ISIS decapitates a human being, and we are outraged. As we should be.
The savagery, the brutality. Truman thought long and hard before his decision.
Stalin murdered millions.
Yes, ISIS must be stopped, they are murderous thugs. Driven by bloodlust. And religion. But again, I iterate, religion is just a "ploy", these sort of people will find any excuse.
How wise was Genghis Khan? For example.
But is it my hope and belief that ISIS and others like them will not kill the human spirit.
Now, I have spent my two cents.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 25, 2014 - 07:10am PT
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It's true... I could've written that line better knowing it was likely to get chopped and misquoted; I suppose I could've used "extremist muslims" instead; but even there, you know some people out of ignorance or interest are going to intrepret even this as meaning ALL muslims. What a mess.
Otherwise, Ken M, that is some crazy ass posting on your part up top, I don't even know to respond, luckily I've got a busy day so I won't try.
It's too bad you didn't have the time to watch that video as it's pretty informative / insightful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2prB3weT4c
"We have to stop this denial." -Ayaan Hirsi Ali
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 25, 2014 - 07:50am PT
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HFCS is not anti American as he loves his country.
Ken M you're projecting a ton bullsh!t onto people as you always usually do.
You're a nutcase.
Stick to prescribing drugs to your patients from your sponsored drug companies.
You must be taking those drugs too from reading the bizarre garbage coming out of your stupid head ......
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 25, 2014 - 08:24am PT
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Stick to prescribing drugs to your patients from your sponsored drug companies.
Jeez, Werner, you are opening up a can of worms there. I am a medical journalist, ex-EMT and ex-med studies drop out. I have seen first hand the power of the Pharmas.
I know this is a million miles away from ISIS, but I have witnessed the power of the pharmas. Why come up with a cure when "just" a treatment will bring in more money.
Okay, I am going to try and round this circle to bring in ISIS… but I can't. Power. Perhaps. The power to cower people, to chop their heads off, or to bomb them silly. Or to make them rely on drugs.
ISIS is a threat, but no more, no less, than the power of corporatism. The Saudis (and Qatar and UAE and others) have it both ways, driving their money power, using their dough to pursue their dreams of domination. (Like the pharmas). Allowing funds to ISIS, to Wahhabism. But is the military-industrial complex any different? Or nowadays shall we term it intelligence-industrial complex?
In some ways, what I write may seem far fetched, but...
You know this Werner, and others know this.
Yes, ISIS must be stopped, and the billionaires meeting in Davos, they do not give a turd about ISIS, they just want more power.
I wish I was a billionaire. Then every Supertopian would have a brand new rack of gear and ropes.
And Ken M is not that bad of a person, he'll get a new rack of gear and a couple of ropes as would HFSC, and you too Werner. When I win the Euromilliions.
ISIS? They will get the shaft.
You probably do not remember but I was on Lunatic Fringe with you and Bird (of course not the FA just an outing), I was fourth and you were rapping off.
Sometimes I think I am still on the Lunatic Fringe.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 25, 2014 - 08:27am PT
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The so-called Islamic State is not what it claims to be.
Like the Federal Reserve, which is neither federal nor has any reserves, the Islamic State is neither Islamic nor a state.
It is a terrorist group that was created by US intelligence and Zionist-allied mercenaries, trained at CIA bases in Jordan,
and unleashed on the people of Syria and Iraq to destabilize those countries in service to Israel.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 25, 2014 - 08:37am PT
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 25, 2014 - 09:03am PT
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Here you go Survival
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 25, 2014 - 09:46am PT
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Fattrad!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 25, 2014 - 11:21am PT
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Patrick,
I think you have the right perspective---this is just one in another of an endless narrative of the grasp for power.
So many want to assume insanity or stupidity of the perps, but I think that is not strategic thinking. That leads to underestimation of them and their potential, like we did with UBL.
perhaps you have some perspective on this, professionally: I cannot quite fathom why the world press would give ISIS a column-inch of press, when they turn to killing journalists? Clearly, publicity is an important part of their campaign. Denying them that might be an effective shield for journalists.
maybe not, too, but who knows?
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Aug 25, 2014 - 11:35am PT
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It's just a gruesome publicity stunt. Yes, I know, terrible, it's a human life. We're killing people all the time over there with drones etc, you never hear about it.
Look up vlad the impaler, these jokers guys can't hold a candle to him.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Aug 25, 2014 - 01:23pm PT
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As a non-journalist critical of current journalism, I admit that the forthcoming analysis has my bias. Most journalists I've observed think their profession -- and they themselves -- have far more importance than the rest of us think they do. If the murder were of, say, a salesman instead of a journalist, whould the outcry be the same? I rather doubt it.
I've been paying attention to these developments for a lot longer than most because they affect the remaining Armenian communities both in Syria, and potentially in Lebanon, where I still have family. At least now more Americans are aware of the barbarism taking place there.
The 1915 massacres of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were something the west could not stop, but the massaces of the Pontic Greeks and the Armenians following World War I could take place only because the United States, which was given the responsibility by the Allies of administering Turkey to ensure the safety of ethnic minorities, wanted nothing to do with it. The west has the ability to rid us of the [choose one or more] []IS, []ISIS, []ISIL evil. For the sake of humanity, we need to act.
John
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 25, 2014 - 01:45pm PT
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DMT...you're the master baiter...sorry..rj
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Aug 25, 2014 - 01:45pm PT
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Sorry for the cop-out, but my children are adults, so I don't "send them" anywhere any more. If either of them (or my son-in-law) wanted to go as part of the professional armed forces, I would encourage it. We have a professional military for a purpose. We misuse it too often. In my opinion, this would not be a misuse.
John
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Aug 25, 2014 - 02:15pm PT
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we need to act.
I agree, but not in the ways you probably mean.
We need mechanisms to quickly strip people of their citizenship and deport. We need a review of what counts as a refugee. The people pouring in from the Islamic world, represent a far more significant threat than some kids on our Southern Border. We may need to deport entire extended families - en toto -. We have to use language, the Islamic World understands. They must start to self-police.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Aug 25, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
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The so-called Islamic State is not what it claims to be.
Like the Federal Reserve, which is neither federal nor has any reserves, the Islamic State is neither Islamic nor a state.
There's this. The author, obviously didn't see the VICE video and knows little of the history of the Islamic World. Or the Ottoman Empire, which IS is aspiring to resurrect.
In fact, the Islamic State is growing rapidly. To look at this, as some sort of brief phenomenon, is ignorance of the facts.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 25, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
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I love this forum. Some complain that there are not enough climbing threads, and since I am, for a while, not going to do any climbing of significance (I will, honestly, I hope), I throw my pennies around on threads.
I uh... now what was I going to write and comment on?
Oh yeah, now I remember. John, I think that by now the world does recognize the Armenian holocaust, or do they? And by the way, you appear to paint journalists with one stroke (I hope you do not), so by that token, all lawyers like you are ambulance chasers. (Remember, both of my grandpas were well-respected judges. However, I just don't get the law.)
DMT, Rupert Murdoch? I sold my soul and prostituted myself for two nights working on The Sun in Wapping. I had to pay the rent.
ISIS? I have tried to learn Egyptian mythology.
Again, Davos and billionaires, I wish I was one.
Where am I going with this post?
I don't know.
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John, I am even more critical of current journalism than you are. I have worked as one for too long. Time to change the game.
So having lived and worked in Napa county (and my late brother Mac one of the best winemakers ever), an earthquake? That is earth-shattering news.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 25, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
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ISIS will be defeated. So much hatred and so much animosity, so much ideology, in a modern world, it does not cut it. But there will be pain, suffering and blood. Boko Haram in Nigeria just, more or less, allied themselves with ISIS.
But in my opinion, it is not the start of a "new age". These groups may in the short term, like in the Ukraine (total different ball game but still...), gain support, but in a modern world one would hope that human intelligence will eventually reason and win out.
Signed, the eternal optimist, Patrick
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Aug 25, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
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Thanks, Patrick, for your replies. Yes, I remain highly critical of the current state of what passes for journalism, but you're right -- I did not intend to paint all journalists with so broad a brush.
I think every profession probably views itself as more important than does society as a whole. I know lawyers do, at least. For that reason, I remain skeptical of lawyers' solutions to problems, because about all they are certian to do is increase the demand for lawyers. They may, sometimes, actually help solve a problem, but only if we're lucky.
I refer to the massacres in Turkey mainly because they resemble what's happening now. We have weak central governments and widespread turmoil with irrational hatred abounding. I hope we don't repeat the same mistakes now.
John
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 25, 2014 - 03:55pm PT
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ISIS will be defeated
I aver they will be defeated by their nihilism although it will likely take
some time as I do not see a stampede by the usual suspects to form an alliance
to do so. I don't see how we can do more than we did to the Taliban and
that has hardly proved a rousing success. The Turks aren't going to help to
any meaningful degree so that leaves us to plink away by air at targets of
opportunity that stray from the protective envelope of civilian proximity.
Survival's Buffs won't get that tasking.
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