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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 24, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
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What's the deal with Muslims anyway?
ISIS makes "music videos" of guys disco dancing around while beheading and skinning people alive...and those "music videos" are highly successful recruiting tools?????
When you are indoctrinated in a religion that's very name means submission and taught since childhood that all that don't submit are worthy of nothing but slaughter or slavery it's the next logical step.
Notice the lack of response from "moderate" Muslims.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 24, 2014 - 03:52pm PT
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A robotic corspe can walk around without a head but a corpse that's been splattered by a hell fire missle ceases to exist in this material world...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 04:22pm PT
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Satan's only a metaphor at best, don't you agree, Blue?
Here's your chance to be clear on this subject - in the interest of better communication and better understanding.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
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It's come to my attn that Mohamad al-Arefe...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamad_al-Arefe
has 9.44 million followers on Twitter, twice as many as the Pope, three or four times as many as Neil de Grasse Tyson or Bill Nye.
Please, if you have a twitter acct, check it out.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBqVWg9IQAo
It's time to pay attention.
Defense of one's religion... even if it means smashing skulls, is an honor before God (Allah). This guy says so. So does the Koran. Just read it. (Read it like a reader who has no other alternative.) Read it, put yourself in the shoes of those reading it and taking it literally as the word of God, and much of the confusion resolves itself. Only you know if you've read it, and if you haven't how much is your opinion on their belief and conduct really worth?
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
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Notice the lack of response from "moderate" Muslims.
Except for the moderates in Syria fighting them.
And the Kurds.
Shias, too.
But don't let facts get in the way of your bigoted rants.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
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Just to be clear, religious criticism is not bigotry. At least not necessarily. It depends on who's doing the critiquing and under what circumstances.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
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I know but TGT has crossed the line many times.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 05:45pm PT
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Dirtbag, I know you're a reasoned thinker.
What's so disappointing though is how many take up sides with the Muslims no questions asked and based on little or no research or study - and here I mean, just to be clear, across the board - all of them, the whole shebang, from peaceful fundies to jihadis - proverbial knee-jerk rx like - because of US partisan politics. If the the Repugs, Fox News and such are going to be against them, the muslims, then I gotta be for them. So the thinking goes. That is bs and contributes to the problems. Including some of those we're facing now. The fact is, US is theologically illiterate (half don't know Jehovah aka Yahweh is the God of Moses; another case in pt: half don't know Allah is Arabic for Jehovah/Yahweh) as much as it is scientifically illiterate (sad truths) and it's showing up everywhere, in our internet postings to our conduct abroad.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Aug 24, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
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What's so disappointing though is how many take up sides with the Muslims
Since they have few Jews remaining, Euros are even more sympathetic to Muslims than here in the US. It's possible, the Islamic State phenomenon, will change that. Or have them questioning it.
But then partisan idealogues rarely question anything.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Aug 24, 2014 - 05:53pm PT
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HFCS,
You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
Using the term Muslim and broad brushing all Muslims is the height of ignorance.
Islamic extremist kill Muslims. They probably kill more Muslims than any other religion.
Get a clue.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
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Classic.
(I'm sure to remember the name, Stahlbro, lol!)
That's right, and the afore-posted videos and twitter facts are just fictions. Yeah, right. /sarc
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Islamic extremist kill Muslims. They probably kill more Muslims than any other religion.
Couldn't agree more. Thanks for your help in making the argument.
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"You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground... Get a clue."
If I had a nickel for every time I heard this baseless retort from a fundamentalist Christian I'd be a rich man, lol!!
Beta for you: Better lay off the Chris Hedges, Slate or The Guardian reads for awhile.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
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Fructose, as stated above, you go way too far in your criticism. Most Muslims are NOT a problem. Fundamentalists are.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
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I'm not saying they are. Read whatever I posted again. The jihadis are the direct problem. Why do I need to repeat this so many times?!
There must be some serious brainwashing going on somewhere in the partisan politics of America.
The analogy with Christians is almost point for point. Why can't half of libs (I'm a lib) get this? My own mother and grandmother were peaceful and loving fundies. (cf: peaceful and loving Muslims) But a few decades earlier, as members of society, citizens of an electorate and their democracy, they would've been obstacles to women's rights, gay rights, and other modern secular progressive pushes. Why is this so hard to grasp? Beats me. But it's splitting libs down the middle when it shouldn't.
Here's a simple qt: What per cent of Muslims across the board have an ethic for science edu or "believe in" evolution? Probably less than 2 per cent. Who thinks this bodes well for the latter half of the 21st century? Never mind, take it as a rhetorical qt. :(
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 06:05pm PT
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OK, understood. Sorry you had to repeat yourself.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Aug 24, 2014 - 06:06pm PT
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Now, the Islamic State, has an airbase. The one I referenced upthread.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/24/us-syria-crisis-idUSKBN0GO0C520140824
Islamic State militants stormed an air base in northeast Syria on Sunday, capturing it from government forces after days of fighting that cost more than 500 lives, a monitoring group said.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 346 Islamic State fighters were killed and more than 170 members of government forces had died since Tuesday in the fight over Tabqa base, making it one of the deadliest confrontations between the two groups since the start of Syria's war.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 24, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
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Sunni and Shiite militias both seem to suck at fighting real military force, but both excel at slaughtering each others civilians.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Aug 24, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
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This is about political power, not religion...
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Aug 24, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
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What % of the Muslim population are extremist?
There are 1.6 billion Muslims. Most are no different than you and me, Chicken Little.
HFCS, you know nothing about me, so don't pretend you do. Your credibility is already suffering.
Extremist in any religion or secular affiliation need to be shut down. It is not rocket science.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 24, 2014 - 06:19pm PT
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Yeah, just as Darwin's credibility suffers in the eyes of Ken Ham, thank you.
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Well-meaning Americans (incl sad to have to say many libs) who don't distinguish between Islamic moderates (peaceful and loving) and Islamic fundies (peaceful and loving) and Islamic jihadis (incl militant fundies and thugs, political or other) - three distinct demographics - are contributing to the problem.
Here on this thread it seems, Stahlbro is another one.
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I'll repeat for reinforcement sake: Criticizing Islam at large (as the Abrahamic supernaturalism it is along with Christianity) or criticizing the Koran (for its barbarisms: death to apostates and infidels, eg) is not attacking (let alone cutting the heads off of) peaceful and loving Islamic fundies (cf: Christian fundies like my own mother and grandmother who wouldn't hurt the proverbial fly) or Islamic moderates.
Until these distinctions are made we'll only continue to argue and not progress on problem solutions.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 24, 2014 - 11:47pm PT
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HFCS, You know, I started to watch this, until I realized it was not a panel, as you'd said, and was a TWO HOUR video.
Har Har. You got me. Got me to waste some time. Won't do it again.
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