is depression a first world problem?

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John M

climber

Oct 28, 2014 - 10:05pm PT

what difference does it make what it is called?

John M

climber

Oct 28, 2014 - 10:17pm PT

leeches huh.. well.. I know some shouldn't be doing therapy. But I have met many who were good people. And as I said above, I doubt that I would have survived as long as I have without the help of a number of therapists and doctors. Doctors or therapists didn't convince me that I had some phony problem. I had very serious issues which I looked everywhere for help. Some help I found by changing the way I eat. Like Daphne,.. Less sugar. ..

Tioga, Its a very complicated issue and you don't help it by trying to pretend that its made up by doctors. I know it exists. I didn't' need doctors to tell me that I had a problem. I had suicidal thoughts as a young child. I hadn't been to a doctor, nor had I read a book. Talk about depression wasn't common when I was young. Yet I dealt with it.

That said, I do believe that there are issues with the way that we do medicine. Especially the way we pay for it. And there is greed involved in it. But that doesn't mean that depression is some made up disease.

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Oct 28, 2014 - 10:32pm PT

There is widespread evidence that wild animals suffer from depression. it seems to be a naturally occurring phenomenon in a percentage of the population of the species studied with an environmental component.

I think the most useful discussion with regards to depression is talking about what has worked for individuals to make things better.

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Oct 28, 2014 - 10:42pm PT

Could they be padding their paychecks on the backs of depression sufferers? Could their methodology as regards the treatment and even diagnosis of depression be empirically suspect and therefore self-serving?

Some people just DON'T want to get better. Sure there are shitty professionals out there. But it's up to the CLIENT/PATIENT to go somewhere else. Same as if you're sick with a known curable illness, but you're doctor doesn't know his head from his ass....go find someone else.

I see about 12 clients a week and some just don't want to confront the pain that they have been suffering from for the past several decades.

I can't force my clients to open up and work through their issues. They have to come to that on their own. I'm a guide, not a mule. That's just the reality of being human.

would it be wrong to know you were not helping a sick person and you didn't direct that sick person to someone who could help....? or is that unthinkable? Immoral? Ethically questionable?

supafly

Trad climber

vancouver, bc

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 10:26am PT

LilaBiene

Trad climber

Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite

Oct 29, 2014 - 05:23pm PT

I think the most useful discussion with regards to depression is talking about what has worked for individuals to make things better.

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Nov 1, 2014 - 06:57pm PT

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The ideal is ideal... don't question the ideal.

Anastasia

climber

Home

Nov 1, 2014 - 08:26pm PT

Depression is not a first world problem. All through history talented, incredible people have succumbed to depression. They fall to suicide, are victims to their own detrimental behavior, they self medicate with alcohol, drugs, etc. all of which lead to early deaths, loss of ability, etc.

I myself have suffered, needed a bit of help here and there. I know without this help it would be a darker world for me. I'm lucky because I do have this help. My very own cousin in Greece doesn't, instead she has turned to alcohol and... Yeah, it's a big, scary mess and one I could have been in myself.

AFS

KabalaArch

Trad climber

Starlite, California

Nov 1, 2014 - 08:35pm PT

Plus, a person just may not like their therapist and resist opening up. I can't force my clients to open up and work through their issues.

Many psychotherapies are rooted in an analysis of the patient's resistances, I understand.

How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?

Some people just DON'T want to get better.

Just one, but the light bulb has to want to change!

MikeL

Social climber

Seattle, WA

Nov 1, 2014 - 10:08pm PT

That was quite a story and piece of writing, LilaBiene. Good on ya. Compelling, very personal, and thoughtful. The number of explanations of your experience seem infinite to my way of reading. What I find myself left with is only compassion. Thanks for your effort.

To the rest, especially those who took what I wrote personally, good on ya, too. I’m glad it fueled some conversation. However, I would like to point out the difference between your particular experience or personal anecdote with structural (historical, sociological, political, economic) elements of “the business” of therapy, health care, pharma, and social care.

There ARE somethings that one can converse about without challenging another's personhood in the process.