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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 21, 2014 - 08:14am PT
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It should have been stated;
After pulling out your head, did you analyze the problem?
:-)
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jun 22, 2014 - 04:03am PT
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Pretesting questionaires is often done. I suspect she's doing that here, so she can test the better model on a climbing site with younger, less cynical climbers, the type she'd rather hang out with more. :)
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jun 22, 2014 - 06:58am PT
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Stormsy, give this thread a few days and I'll bet you're learn more about climbers from reading it then you'd ever gain from that survey......those questions gave me a headache, I quit.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Jun 22, 2014 - 07:07am PT
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Stormsy, ( said with as much kindness as can be conveyed in writing), please, please please re-write the questions in your survey. The phrasing (as Crimpie said) has too many negatives.
Also, eliminate the words, "sometimes", "often" etc from the questions, and use the survey format where the answer allows, never, rarely, often always. There is no reason to use the same survey format for every question.
Strive to ask the simplest most straightforward, least complex question.
If I were your thesis advisor, or class professor, i would spend the time working with you until you had a survey that would actually yield some answers. That is what you are trying to learn in school. How to design an experiment. The actual answers at this point are not that important.
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tangen_foster
Trad climber
Hudson, Wisconsin
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Jun 22, 2014 - 07:49am PT
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Stormsy, your data is in the responses by climbers to your request to take your study. go qualitative and develop your grounded theory. and, crimpy (phd)provides some good feedback on your survey design.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Jun 22, 2014 - 08:07am PT
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Ok, I had to come back to this because it was so disturbing to me as a retired scientist.
"This is what we are trying to prove." No, you are not. Good science never trys to prove anything. You are testing a hypothesis. The data will tell you yes, no, or not determined by the experiment.
"Climbers" as a set: impossibly broad, too many variables.
30 respondants gives you meaningful results to a question about problem solving: don't kid yourself.
I'm not trying to be hard on you, my annoyance is not with you but with your teacher/mentor, who should know better.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jun 22, 2014 - 08:15am PT
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I agree that the comments here will tell a person more about climbers than any questionnaire, especially this one. For sure, I was always taught that both questionnaires and interview questions are best kept short.
It's also typical in my field of anthropology that the interviewer has a hard time keeping the subject of the interview on topic long enough to answer the specific questions so don't feel bad that's also happened here.
I don't know if you've posted your questionaire to other climbing websites or not, but just comparing the responses on different websites might be one way of overcoming your impossibly broad field.
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granite_girl
Trad climber
Oakland
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Jun 22, 2014 - 08:54am PT
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I'm pretty tolerant of bad survey questions, but those ones are a bit hard to parse. Rewrite with fewer words and you'll get more and better responses. Really hope you're just an undergrad!
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John M
climber
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Jun 22, 2014 - 09:38am PT
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Crimpster and the Ghost are both very down to earth people. Ghosts answer should give you a real insight into climbers. Lots of us don't want to be examined. We don't care for the mainstreaming of climbing. Crimpster is a professor of criminology and an expert on creating studies. I think that I have that right.. :-)
Jan is a sociologist having lived among and studied indigenous people in the Himalayas for years.
Others who have given you suggestions are professors and professionals.
There is a large wealth of knowledge on this forum. Most of the folks who have answered you are highly experienced and successful.
If they don't like the survey, then it might be worth your while to try and understand why.
Just my two cents. No time right now to try out the survey, but now my interest is peaked. heh heh.. funny how that works.
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overwatch
climber
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Jun 22, 2014 - 10:28am PT
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I totally agree John M. There are some incredibly smart people on this forum. They keep me coming back in spite of some of the other not so smart and/or troll types
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jun 22, 2014 - 10:30am PT
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Please do not call me a sociologist! I am an ANTHROPOLOGIST ! There's a world of difference, especially in matters of methodology. Among other things, sociologists love questionnaires and we don't.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Jun 22, 2014 - 10:53am PT
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There is a large wealth of knowledge on this forum
Moose, Locker, Ron, Lollie, Scrubbing Bubbles, Clinker, DMT.....
There are a lot of us who constantly dumb it down so everyone has a chance to keep up.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jun 22, 2014 - 11:17am PT
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took the test.
climbing is not rocket science!
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 22, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
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Excellent idea. I have valuable input which you don't want for free.
Fedex a case of beer. Get 500 words. Camp 4 site 32 ASAP!
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John M
climber
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Jun 22, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
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Sorry Jan.. I didn't know. I have nothing but respect for what you have done and do and I always appreciate your perspective.
John
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jun 22, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
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Don't worry about it John, but do remember that anthropologists are touchy about that, in part because sociologists with their quick and dirty questionnaires which people can then run statistics on, usually get the job and anthropologists don't, because our more in depth methods take more time.
I used to lecture six hours in an intro class about methodology and an hour and a half of that was how the two disciplines are different. I've even been accused of being ethnocentric about anthropology :)
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John M
climber
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Jun 22, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
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:-) I wasn't worried jan, but that is funny. who knew? not us peons. I will always strive to remember that you are an anthropologist. :-)
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johnr9q
Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
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Jun 22, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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I am not a professional and not highly educated like others herein but it seems to me that the same question is repeated over and over so I didn't complete the survey.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 22, 2014 - 10:21pm PT
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I'm survived as a climber not because I excelled at deductive reasoning but rather because I
listened to Uncle Fred's admonition to trust yer gut feelings, otherwise known in more
esoteric circles as 'going with the flow'. Analyze that!
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