Calling all Rock Climbers! PLEASE help with this study!

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overwatch

climber
Jun 22, 2014 - 10:28am PT
I totally agree John M. There are some incredibly smart people on this forum. They keep me coming back in spite of some of the other not so smart and/or troll types
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Jun 22, 2014 - 10:30am PT
Please do not call me a sociologist! I am an ANTHROPOLOGIST ! There's a world of difference, especially in matters of methodology. Among other things, sociologists love questionnaires and we don't.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 22, 2014 - 10:53am PT
There is a large wealth of knowledge on this forum

Moose, Locker, Ron, Lollie, Scrubbing Bubbles, Clinker, DMT.....

There are a lot of us who constantly dumb it down so everyone has a chance to keep up.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jun 22, 2014 - 11:17am PT
took the test.

climbing is not rocket science!
W.L.

climber
Edge of the Electric Ocean Beneath Red Rock
Jun 22, 2014 - 11:38am PT
I mean all of this in the nicest possible way, but the ringer of academia had taught me to be very blunt with criticisms in spite of the fragile egos there:

+1 RE: poor research design/question design. I hope this is just for a class and not for some sort of thesis, as your advisor would be highly remiss if they allowed a sample size of 30 for this sort of thing.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jun 22, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
Excellent idea. I have valuable input which you don't want for free.
Fedex a case of beer. Get 500 words. Camp 4 site 32 ASAP!
TheMaster

climber
Jun 22, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
I don't care whether he does a study or not. This isn't the first time something like this has been requested from Supertopo users. The problem I have is why do the OP's in cases like this always sound like beggars! "PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE", etc. Make a short, precise, non-hysterical request...enough of the begging like it is a life-threatening situation or something.
John M

climber
Jun 22, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
Sorry Jan.. I didn't know. I have nothing but respect for what you have done and do and I always appreciate your perspective.

John
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Jun 22, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
Don't worry about it John, but do remember that anthropologists are touchy about that, in part because sociologists with their quick and dirty questionnaires which people can then run statistics on, usually get the job and anthropologists don't, because our more in depth methods take more time.

I used to lecture six hours in an intro class about methodology and an hour and a half of that was how the two disciplines are different. I've even been accused of being ethnocentric about anthropology :)
John M

climber
Jun 22, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
:-) I wasn't worried jan, but that is funny. who knew? not us peons. I will always strive to remember that you are an anthropologist. :-)
johnr9q

Sport climber
Sacramento, Ca
Jun 22, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
I am not a professional and not highly educated like others herein but it seems to me that the same question is repeated over and over so I didn't complete the survey.
Heisenberg

Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
Jun 22, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
There is a serious lack of research on climbing in the psychology literature, and we are hoping to change that

There was just a Extreme Sports Symposium in Denver June 13,14 discussing this exact topic. Mental and physical attributes as well as recovery from injury as well as the differences in mental state of those who participate in such activities.

http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicine/sportsmed/cusm_education/cusm_events/2014-Extreme-Sports-Medicine-Congress/Pages/agenda.aspx
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 22, 2014 - 10:21pm PT
I'm survived as a climber not because I excelled at deductive reasoning but rather because I
listened to Uncle Fred's admonition to trust yer gut feelings, otherwise known in more
esoteric circles as 'going with the flow'. Analyze that!
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Jun 22, 2014 - 11:25pm PT
Thanks Heisenberg.

I would think the papers presented at the Extreme Sports Medicine Conference will be published eventually.

These two caught my eye and Stormsy probably should try to get ahold of the authors.

"Personality Characteristics of Elite Mountaineers & BASE jumpers by Monasterio from New Zealand

and

"Outcome Scores" by Kildey from Australia.

The way most of us learned the standards for how to research and publish was by reading what went before.

BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jun 22, 2014 - 11:25pm PT
I bet you wonder how climbing relates to other areas of your life- this is what I'm trying to test!

Do you actually have an hypothesis that you are trying to test? What is it?

My late 60's/early 70's climbing friends and I developed our own life philosophy: "Life is a Bivouac." Yes, climbing DOES relate to other aspects of our lives! Do you seriously think that your questionnaire will reveal the ways in which it does???

It meant that our lives were lived without warm food and without warm women with whom we could share our lives. We could sleep well and happily in uncomfortable, yet beautiful places. We learned to love and trust our (mostly male) climbing partners.

The friends we made in those days remain our life-long, and most trusted friends today.

Today, I am happy to say, we have truly loving, trusted women in our lives. LIFE IS MORE THAN JUST A BIVOUAC!

We've had children, or not! But we still love and trust one another as much as we ever did.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Jun 22, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
One thing that would be interesting to know is how many people who dropped out of normal life to climb for awhile had already developed the bivouac theory of life before they took up climbing and how many as a result?

BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Jun 22, 2014 - 11:41pm PT
Good question, Jan! I think the seeds were planted early-on, then germinated and grew with the practice and the years!
mark miller

Social climber
Reno
Jun 23, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
Did the test, finished it...Felt like someone added 20 pitches of 5.0- climbing to the royal arches and you just couldn't get off. I hope there is a different methodology to the testing then what meets the eye. Regretfully I doubt it.
Maybe next time he needs to set a more strict and cohesive test group. In addition to the redundancy in the questions there was also a targeted result pattern, knott unlike studies the Germans did in the late 30's.

I'll keep my mouth shut...
couchmaster

climber
Jun 23, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
Unable to finish your survey. Sorry. It seemed to me that you are presupposing the outcome and ask the questions based on what you think the answer should be. For most of those questions (as far as I made it) how I was raised matter's much more regarding how I deal with things than if I climb.

If I were to write out an answer to MOST of your questions, it would be this: SOMETIMES THAT IS TRUE, SOMETIMES IT IS NOT. IT DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

I'm in the donut store, how would I answer these questions you ask differently today than tomorrow and even differently if the question changed say if the ? to who was "I am going to marry" solve for X.

Your question: "Even though I work on a problem, sometimes I feel like I am groping or wandering, and am not getting down to the real issue." The correct answer is totally agree and totally disagree it depends. Depends on what day it is. Depends on what the real question would be. (situationally different).

Example, same situation differing outcomes: this problem being I need to get 12 donuts to get the discount and get my ass back to the office- present the donuts and hope folks are not pissed off: which donuts do I get? I may make a snap judgment and later regret them when confronted in the office with " WHY THE HELL DID YOU GET ME A FRITTER, YOU KNOW I LIKE CREAM FILLED?". vs "When confronted with a problem, I do not usually examine what sort of external things my environment may be contributing to my problem." Which donuts to get? Again? I may just grab the first f*#king 12 donuts as I have a $200,000 order waiting to be sorted out and figure dickhead in the office can fend for himself if he doesn't get a donut he prefers. No thinking at all, I'm in a hurry. F*#k em...first 12 wham, in the box out the f*#king door. Wham bam! Oh, you got a blueberry muffin? Too f*#king bad, I gave it no thought at all.

Hope that helps. BTW, I'm the dickead who likes the cream filled with chocolate covering. I'd climb better if I could stop eating that bullsh#t, and can't figure out the answer to any of your questions as it relates to "WHY CAN'T YOU STOP EATING DONUTS CAUSE YOU KNOW YOU'LL CLIMB BETTER IF YOU DON'T EAT THE FRIGGAN THINGS. DOES YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS FOR THAT DIFFER VS APPROACHING A MULTIMEGA HUGE WORLD WIDE CONGLOMERATE AND TRY TO MAKE A SALE?"

Yup, totally different. Sorry. That's life. Please, when you show up, remember that I like the cream filled chocolate covered donuts. Life is like a box of donuts. Not.

Hope that helped you.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Jun 23, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
Uhm....
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