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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Well done! why women don't post here summarized in one post. congratulations high fructose.
+1, Matisse!
Locker, between the fact that I'm not on Supertopo every day and
the nine hour timedifference, I find it amusing it would be fail because I don't answer at your expectancy of when an answer should be delivered.
Ok, these women publicly announce that they're proud that they look as rather normal women. To make that announcement understandable demands an underlying assumption that the normal state is that women are not expected to be proud of their bodies, if they look as most women do. Since these women are proud of themselves, therefore they want to encourage other women too to post photos of themselves in bikinis on the internet? Did I understand you right? My next question is then: Why? To please whom?
Exchange that above to men in the role of the women. Does it in any way seem normal to you, if two men sat in an interview and made the statement that since they have normal men's bodies and they're proud of that fact, therefore they want to encourage more men too to put up photos of themselves in swimsuits on the internet too?
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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lassies with some sense of humor? This is a copout, too.
You are saying: tolerate whatever bad behavior happens,
and pretend it was a joke.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Should I leave the site in disgust because Lollie though quite lib on many counts doesn't seem to factor in gender differences when it comes to (voluntary) career choices in science, engineering, etc..
What the f*#k?
Are you out of arguments, since you now start to make up your own fairy tales? You don't have a clue about what I think about career choices.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
if everything were 50/50, that might be true, but here on st the m/f ration is like 50:1.
i've clashed w sully but i really appreciate her posts. this site is i dominated by old, fat, underperforming and over-entitled white guys. sort of like congress, or the fortune 500. or the tech community, if you delete "old, fat" and qualify "white."
this site needs way more women posters and young folks and fols who aren't in that aging wasp demographic. for a start. most of them climb more than the regulars here do.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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There is a genetic (i.e., nature) component to it No credible scientific evidence.
My high school advanced placement calculus and physics classes had a high proportion of girls and they did as well or better than the boys.
And THAT was in Dark Ages Utaaaahhhhrrrr.
Here in Silicon Valley there is certainly not parity in job opportunities for women. It's slowly getting better. Lack of women in the highly skilled workforce is a symptom of unequal opportunity not unequal intellectual capacity or interest. Many girls and young women are discouraged from high tech education and careers precisely by social influences.
I feel somewhat sorry for men who are threatened by accomplished women. It's so MUCH more fun to work and play, climb and love as equals.
Who are the high school girls I remember all these years later? The "cute" ones? The "sexy" ones?
no.....the smart, ambitious, in my face ones I was competing with.
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Stewart Johnson
climber
lake forest
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Yuk
This thread is like a horrible get together
of relatives ,half drunk and out of booze.
Maybe delete,for my sanity.
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matisse
climber
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Hang in there Stewart. It is a worthwhile discussion.
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matisse
climber
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HFCS, just out of idle curiosity: since you are such a biological expert, what do you do for a living?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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HFCS
wrong question. Are gays intellectually, socially, physically, morally equal to straights?
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matisse
climber
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HFCS specious argument.
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John M
climber
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I believe the transcendence was meant as saying that simply because one is wired this or that way doesn't mean one has to act on it. Some theories say that men are wired for multiple partners. But they don't have to act on it, especially if they want to remain married to a woman who wants a monogamous relationship. Which is the point. Do we want to encourage women to post or not? Saying that they should just get over it or toughen up isn't very nice. Why shouldn't men just toughen up and get over the need to objectify women at every opportunity?
And the fact that this place is more civilized then many other internet sites isn't exactly a thrilling endorsement. its not that hard to be more civilized then the majority of the internet.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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My point: don't be a dick. Stop rationalizing it by saying men are dicks because that's why. If thinking stirring up some bitches on the internet anonymously is a hoot, then you're really kinda sad. I seriously doubt we chicks are going to loose much sleep over this. Jokes on you bro.
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matisse
climber
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HFCS you haven't answered my question about what you do for a living....
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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This is an old-man-dominated climbing site.
So true, so true...and let me say, that this truth is in no way a deterrent for people such as myself, nor is it a deterrent for myself personally.
If you really knew me, you'd know it's quite the opposite! ;)
Personally, I've not been posting to this site because...
I've found a better place to find old-man-dominated climbing action!!
hehehe, if you don't know, you should ask your closest female climbing friend ;)
Good luck in attracting more ladies, though I really like the gender spread myself! hee hee hee
Cheers
LS
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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First
Maybe that's what this site lacks, lassies with some sense of humor? Nothing humorous about your first post. Answer received as you posted.
I don't know, maybe it's a generational thing.
Maybe I should show it to my daughters then. They're younger than you, I guess. You'd probably find all of us older women soft compared with the response you'd likely get from them.
Or don't a few of you get around on the internet to see how wild wild west it is. Some of us were on the internet when you were in preschool, by the look of your profile photo, so I doubt that argument holds water.
Sure I do, you took offense to the idea (substantiated by research) that boys more than girls (males more than females) are oriented to science and engineering particularly as young adults and older adults.
There is a genetic (i.e., nature) component to it, sorry. We are not all "just" blank slates.
No, you don't. There's a difference in what we are oriented against, but serious research also takes into account our upbringings, how children are reared and directed towards certain areas depending on gender, etc. The "wrong" gender is discouraged to take interest in certains subjects. The differences lessens in more equal societies. "The genetic component" is not so heavy as you seem to want to. It exists, but more is dependent on how open society is to males in caring professions and women in science and engineering.
And you read in your own idea of what I answered upon. I grew up in a very scientically oriented home. My mother was a chemical engineer very successful in her field and myself have worked in a male dominated environment my entire life.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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It's so MUCH more fun to work and play, climb and love as equals.
:-) YES!!
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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I have avoided non-climbing threads until now, and I will resume that. So sorry, non-morons.
heh
wait til u see the "mind" thread
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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HFCS wants permission to be an animal because activating his humanity takes effort. Your gay metaphor doesn't hold water. In a relationship, gay men are just as desiring of being treated with respect as women. All people would like to be treated with respect-- and that is what we are asking for here. Respect us as whole people instead of functions of your sexual instinct.
When you participate in an internet forum you are having a relationship with members of your community.
My current hypothesis is that men defending the posting of the objectionable material tend to treat themselves as objects as well. When the goal is more important than the people you are with you will demean the needs of the people you are with so you can achieve your goal. There is an intra-personal dimension to this character structure: if your goal supersedes your human needs you will deny your humanity in pursuit of your goal.
Do you climb for the summit and the goal won or for the joy of the movement over rock? If the summit is most important it will be "every man for himself". And the humanity of a woman and her needs will not matter for you as your needs for sexual gratification are most important.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Yup, I experienced ghosts, which doesn't make me a supernaturalist nor do I believe that body supertranscends in body, or however you put that. You better read again what I wrote about that.
I have a rather scientific outlook on life, you see. If I experience something, I draw the conclusion it depends upon something. If unknown matter, "ghost" is as good word as any.
Taking the easy way out, huh?
You have yet eluded to answer any question or argument put to you,
changed to comment persons instead of the subject,
tried to patronize,
tried to be felt sorry for,
then tried to write it off as a joke and
finally trying to change the subject.
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