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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 21, 2014 - 01:13pm PT
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Unfortunately, Bill and Barack, didn't do anything about it either.
Apparently Dwight was right and these defense corporations now have us by the balls and are dictating, or at the very least affecting national policy.
We have always been at war with Oceania....
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 21, 2014 - 01:16pm PT
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rj
.Hard to make a profit in that climate playing by the rules... You were referring to the construction industry.
My work has been 90% in medical device and pharmaceuticals. With much tighter regulation and greater liability than any construction except possibly tall buildings, tunnels and bridges.
So what if it takes a lot of money to guarantee you make a safe and effective product. You can still make HUGE profits (I'm not defending the profit margins and I sure didn't get rich).
What IS disgraceful about our medical industry (doctors and lawyers included) is we spend nearly 50% more on our healthcare than any other country and have worse health outcomes than most "socialized medicine" countries including Canada, France, England, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Denmark etc.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 21, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
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Don't loathe the military.
Distrust the puppet string holders and try to bring them into line with the needs of the entire human race.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 21, 2014 - 02:00pm PT
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Don't forget that while lobbing cruise missiles and killing Serbs he totally
ignored Rwanda. Not very democratic of him. The UN did too so I guess it
was a wash.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 21, 2014 - 02:06pm PT
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I wasn't referring to you DMT. It was merely a general statement.
The people that need to be taken down a couple notches are the greedy fux at:
Lockheed
Boeing
Northrup
General Dynamics
Raytheon
L-3 Comm
United Tech
SAIC
Oshkosh
Etc...........
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 21, 2014 - 03:17pm PT
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The key to those pie charts is that they show discretionary spending. If you look at total spending, the pie gets sliced quite differently, which is why those on the left don't want to show it.
John
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 21, 2014 - 03:33pm PT
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Sorry Jle, I'm not buying any chart that says "remainder" 24%.
That's a little too kinnygarten, even for a simpleton like me.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 21, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
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Thanks, Survival. Here is the breakdown of the "miscellaneous" spending (in billions of dollars):
Protection: 255.6
Transportation: 297.6
General Government: 166.1
Other Spending: 413.3
Interest: 332.7
To clarify further, the chart I posted is of all United States governmental spending, not just the federal budget. Of the $166.1 in "general government" spending in FY 2013, 51.2 was for state government and 70.1 for local government. Similarly, for "other spending" 75.4 was for state government and $362.2 was for local government.
I don't think looking at the federal spending without looking at state and local spending gives a realistic picture of governmental spending, particularly given the extent to which state and local expenditures represent transfers from the federal government.
One thing that did not surprise me, though, was that even this pie chart did not show interest as a separate slice of the pie. It's too painful to contemplate how big that slice will become when interest rates rise.
John
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 21, 2014 - 04:01pm PT
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Protection: 255.6
Transportation: 297.6
General Government: 166.1
Other Spending: 413.3
Interest: 332.7
So basically that means that:
Unknown:98%
Other stuff:27%
Miscellaneous:19%
Not specific:34%
Mystery:177%
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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May 21, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
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Unknown:98%
Other stuff:27%
Miscellaneous:19%
Not specific:34%
Mystery:177%
LOL
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 21, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
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No. Basically what it means (particularly when you see the references to the state and local government make-up of the spending) is that almost none of it is military-related.
John
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John M
climber
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May 21, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
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I hate charts, because who decides what constitutes defense? Is spending on defense contractors defense?
JohnE, you claim lefties don't like to look at certain things, but your own party did a number on the numbers when Bush was president. Every year having to add to defense spending without including it in the budget. Your own party could use some lessons in defining a budget.
Is the VA defense spending? Often times the republicans say it isn't. Yet wouldn't it be true that the VA budget could be smaller if we didn't have as large of a military, and didn't get involved in as many wars? Leaving it out is like leaving out the cost of storing nuclear fuel in the cost break down of nuclear energy.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 21, 2014 - 04:42pm PT
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spot the 27 differences!
Not to be any pickier than normal, but I thought I was explicit that the chart I posted was total government spending, not merely federal spending.
Also, in response to the comment of jammer (great handle for a climber, by the way!), one needs to know the amount and type of state and local spending to judge the propriety of federal spending. A pie chart showing only federal discretionary spending doesn't give anything close to an accurate picture of government spending. Fort Mental's CBO chart at least includes all federal spending, rather than just "discretionary" spending, but that's still an incomplete picture of government spending in this country.
John
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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May 21, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
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The United States, the home of Capitalism, is about to demonstrate its ultimate failure, as the cannibalistic economic system consumes the nation’s economy from within.
The US economy is rigged toward the 1% of wealthiest citizens and corporations, this radically skews outcomes to the detriment of the economy as a whole.
 Another system is possible... i just takes a focus from everyone...
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 21, 2014 - 10:03pm PT
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There has to be another police action somewhere ,somehow.I mean ,people have to make bullets,Right?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 21, 2014 - 10:11pm PT
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We need to invade Fresno and suppress the facist Armenian insurrection...
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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May 21, 2014 - 10:38pm PT
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We need to invade Fresno and suppress the facist Armenian insurrection...
can't happen soon enough.
but I do like to see fascist correctly spelled, comrade.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 21, 2014 - 10:52pm PT
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MS55401...I'll see what i can do about that you spelling facist...
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couchmaster
climber
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Jun 30, 2014 - 08:30am PT
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labrat said : "How is talking about taxes going to solve the problem of China continuing to take over territories, dominating regions via blah blah blah CHINA CHINA CHINA..... "
Labrat, as I age I see an interesting thing. Our Government, you read that correctly, "our Government" releases stories to the press that either A, B or C country is a boogy man that WE MUST CONFRONT OR YOU WILL BE SPEAKING THAT LANGUAGE LATER...... Something to that effect. I'm not saying that the stories are not true, only that they are being repeatedly emphasized so that you feel insecure. When you reflect on that, you have to ask: "why is that?. Why does this continually occur?
Let me ask you some questions Erik. The United States has a military presence in 130 different countries. We have 11 state of the art aircraft carriers (Wiki lists 12) wherin we can project military power anywhere in the globe on a massive scale in a short period of time. My questions are these: How many countries does China have a military presence in? How many aircraft carriers do they have? Were is the locations where the US is concerned about Chinese territorial claims? Where, on a world map, does the US defacto claim by it's routine military presence? Why does the US goverment keep releasing these "boogyman" reports so as to keep you and our country men on edge? Why are we going deeper in debt every year, that is, spending 40% more than we are taking in and borrowing that from the Federal Reserve, a private group of bankers?
If what I note above is true, and I believe it is, what's going on with all that?
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