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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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May 18, 2014 - 02:05pm PT
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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May 18, 2014 - 02:13pm PT
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I believe. How could I not.
That's because you're a drooling vegetable.
Repeat after me:
Baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
Dumb animals are easy to train.
Sheep are yummy!
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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May 18, 2014 - 02:26pm PT
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It's not so much what you believe as what you do.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 18, 2014 - 02:27pm PT
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That's because you're a drooling vegetable.
Repeat after me:
Baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
Dumb animals are easy to train.
Sheep are yummy!
I drool over delicious vegetables.
I can make many animal sounds.
Smart animals are easy to train, dumb ones are harder to train.
Lamb and beef kabobs are yummy.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 18, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
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It's not so much what you believe as what you do.
True.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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May 18, 2014 - 02:35pm PT
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I drool over delicious vegetables.
Drooling over you own kind does not excuse abject stupidity.
Isn't Sunday?
Now go be a good member of the flock and pray.
Lemming's to the cliff...
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go-B
climber
Cling to what is good!
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May 18, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
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Thru the Bible - Sunday Sermon with Dr. J. Vernon McGee
Divine Election and Human Free Will
Sunday, May 18, 2014
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/thru-the-bible-sunday-sermon/custom-player/
References: Isaiah 55
(Isaiah 55:1-3) Are we saved because God sovereignly chooses us to be saved or because we choose salvation of our own free will? Are these two contradictory or can they be reconciled?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 18, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
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My youngest daughter(14) just showed us a quote.
Jesus said "love your enemies", alcohol is your enemy.
We all laughed.
She is growing up quick.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 18, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
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Drooling over you own kind does not excuse abject stupidity.
rif, you are jumping to conclusions. Are you delusional?
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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May 18, 2014 - 05:03pm PT
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in atheist afterlife you get to be a proton.
~ Pate
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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May 18, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
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rif, you are jumping to conclusions. Are you delusional?
Not by a long shot. I'm not the one who believes in fairy tales. Maybe ask yourself the very same question.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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May 18, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
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rlf,
Why do you care what he does? Why the hostility? Just agree to disagree like a grown up. All the folks with their self congratulatory insults are commenting far more about themselves than they know.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 18, 2014 - 10:12pm PT
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"Just agree to disagree like a grown up."
It would be wonderful if that's as far as the religion issue ever had to go. Unfortunately, religious interests have a persistent and notorious tendency to insert themselves into the politics and lives of other people who don't share that interest.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 18, 2014 - 11:52pm PT
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Not by a long shot. I'm not the one who believes in fairy tales. Maybe ask yourself the very same question.
I like fairy tales. Believe in them? Something out of nothing, well that is pushing it. Voodoo would be nice if well deserved.
I am not a church goer, but my oldest daughter does. I tell her before you send money for some great mission cause, take a look at who is sitting around you and help that need first. If a person missing a leg walks out of a healing service with two, put your money in the offering plate. But I can be a cynic too.
The rejection of science by the church, the rejection of gay marriage by christians, and the rejection of believers by some of those posting here are similar in basic premise. That is blindly accepting what one knows or believes to be true or works for them, and not observing the facts that say otherwise.
What are the ingredients for a loving family, a cure for a disease? To figure out what in a source of water is harmful? To volunteer your time and resources to do something good for others? These are good. Careful with your prejudice, or you may end up batty yourself.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
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May 19, 2014 - 12:04am PT
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Religious people can't believe that everything evolved from "nothing", that the universe is so fantastic and wonderful that it just had to have a "creator".
So where did God come from? Did He have a creator as well? No? He's always been there? Really...How is that any easier to swallow?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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May 19, 2014 - 01:13pm PT
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It would be wonderful if that's as far as the religion issue ever had to go. Unfortunately, religious interests have a persistent and notorious tendency to insert themselves into the politics and lives of other people who don't share that interest. Unfortunately, that is true. If people and politicians put more stock in the Establishment Clause (or even acknowledged its existence) then we'd be able to avoid this issue for the most part. I'm Catholic (and actually go to Mass) and I abhor attempts by others to insert prayer into the public forum or, worse, pervert education to conform with the puny brains of many "believers" out there. Sadly, there are a lot of people (read, non-demoninational evangelicals--some, not all!) out there, who believe non-compliance with their views is the same as an attack. Sounds a lot like the gun nuts.
Maybe that's the point of this thread. Inserting religion into politics and community life. I disagree with that, clearly. However, too often these threads devolve into ad hominem attacks by people who really have what appears to be an unhealthy hang up on other people's beliefs.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 19, 2014 - 01:22pm PT
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Fat Dad
Excellent post by a Believer.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 19, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
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Fat Dad, great post.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 19, 2014 - 05:46pm PT
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BTW possibly the best fairy tale is Shrek. It has all the important fairy tale elements but in a sometimes screwed up, true to life, beautiful and ugly fashion.
And for the record if a story was strpped down to this, some guy saying to the powers that be." You are f#king common folks to better your own situation, screw you and your rules and be damned" And then he gets lynched for it. I would believe it and like this guy or gal for that matter.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 19, 2014 - 11:14pm PT
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I'm glad that BluBlocr has a higher power. The stuff he writes! Phew. Sheer nonsense. He promotes using the government to make rules on gays and then immediately says that we shouldn't rely on government.
He then tells us to see with our noses.
Um? The Establishment clause protects you from us, for now. I'd vote to make Christianity a hate-group before I'd vote with the religious bigots. Haters.
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