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WBraun
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May 12, 2014 - 11:49pm PT
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but planes fly because science.
LOL OK :-)
So do ducks, birds, insects and planes etc etc, because the laws of nature allow them .....
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 12, 2014 - 11:50pm PT
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You haven't answered a single question. Try this one? Is there such a thing as a heretic?
I'm all about nature. It's people's fancy dogma that makes me shake my head. Are any of nature's laws explained in any religion? ( Buddha notwithstanding as he was a man and claimed no divinity)
Hey Werner, just to put a face to it, that used to be me on the left. I was dating Heather. That's "one of the 13" or "the rocket scientist" on the right ( Chris?). I was on TSAR but I also joined the Lyman search. I was on the Ranger Randy search also.
Recognize AK? I sure miss that girl.
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go-B
climber
Cling to what is good!
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May 13, 2014 - 12:01am PT
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The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-415
...How do they do it? By attributing to the Holy Spirit words that He didn’t say, deeds that He didn’t do, and experiences that He didn’t produce, attributing to the Holy Spirit that which is not the work of the Holy Spirit. Endless human experiences, emotional experiences, bizarre experiences and demonic experiences are said to come from the Holy Spirit…visions, revelations, voices from heaven, messages from the Spirit through transcendental means, dreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out of body experiences, trips to heaven, anointings, miracles. All false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit.
You know enough to know that God does not want to be worshiped in illegitimate ways. God wants to be worshiped for who He is, for what He has done in the way He has declared
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WBraun
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May 13, 2014 - 12:03am PT
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Buddha notwithstanding as he was a man and claimed no divinity
You would be very surprised to what/who Buddha really is/was .....
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 13, 2014 - 12:10am PT
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Ooh ooh, enlighten me. ( though I believe nothing that I hear and only a little of what I see). I would appreciate you r thoughts as I consider you somewhat a mystic. I'm being sincere and not trolling. I would love to read Buddhas unprinted works. I understand that there are volumes.
Han Shan is enough wisdom for me.
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mastadon
Trad climber
crack addict
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May 13, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
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Mr Flip Flop Sir,
That's a very young Holly and AK in that picture. What year was it taken???
We all miss AK.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 14, 2014 - 03:15am PT
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Mastodon that was 1996. I was just bouldering with Holly and Heidi at the Sanitation Boulder. Good times.
Don, she always said that you were her favorite person. True. She really loved you, man.
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mastadon
Trad climber
crack addict
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May 14, 2014 - 08:43am PT
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AK was truly a gentle soul…
Is it thread drift when someone hijacks a rambling negative thread with something less obscene?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2014 - 04:05pm PT
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A gentle soul and....gifted.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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May 14, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
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This is all well and good, but not a single Christian has come forward to reconcile their message of love with their very HUMAN support, through voting, campaign donations, or active campaigning, of policies that denied homosexuals from enjoying the same opportunity for happiness called marriage that the other 94 or so % of us enjoy.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 14, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
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This is all well and good, but not a single Christian has come forward to reconcile their message of love with their very HUMAN support, through voting, campaign donations, or active campaigning, of policies that denied homosexuals from enjoying the same opportunity for happiness called marriage that the other 94 or so % of us enjoy.
Homosexuals should have full legal rights granted to any individual regardless of like genders. Religions should have marriages separate from "legal-state marriages" recognizing commitments that exclude certain individuals because of their beliefs. Freedom is for the homosexual to do whatever a straight person may and also for any person to voice an opinion disagreeing with actions, lifestyles, religions...
I reserve the right think for myself what is right or wrong, so freedom should guarantee fairness but not uniformity.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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May 14, 2014 - 11:10pm PT
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The State doesn't get involved in the religious aspect of a marriage, if there is one. As long the State's legal guidelines for marriage are followed - paperwork and credentials for the officiant, mainly, the couple and their church are free to do what they wish. Churches are not, of course, compelled by law to marry anyone.
So, yes, this is purely a live-and-let-live issue. That homosexuals marry has zero substantive effect on people who choose to disapprove of same.
A Christian claiming not to be bigoted, then actively supporting anti-gay marriage measures flies in the face of both their claim and the 1st Amendment's firewall between governance and religion. If they really believed it was an issue solely between God and man, and that such a sin was a choice - they wouldn't attempt to force those sinners with the weight of the law behind them.
They don't really believe that, of course. Read Focus on the Family's rhetoric regarding how gays are destroying the social fabric of America.
No, this is good, old fashioned American bigotry. The Christians who support anti marriage policies simply f*#king hate gays - and they're not shy at all about advertising it.
So much for the religion of Love, but you already knew that from 2000 years of human misery at the hands of God's Chosen.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 14, 2014 - 11:49pm PT
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A Christian claiming not to be bigoted, then actively supporting anti-gay marriage measures flies in the face of both their claim and the 1st Amendment's firewall between governance and religion. If they really believed it was an issue solely between God and man, and that such a sin was a choice - they wouldn't attempt to force those sinners with the weight of the law behind them.
You seem confused?
Are you gay?
Did you vote for gay rights?
Bigoted, means a difference in opinion. When did that become wrong? That's why we have a two party system. To vote against each other.. We need to respect a minority opinion, but we don't have to vote for it.
We have to love them, we don't have to like what they do.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 15, 2014 - 12:22am PT
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^^^ Wow Norton
That wasn't the definition my phone gave me. From urs it sounds like Tvash and you are BIGOTS. Being so anti-Christ and all.
So what do you call it when two people have opposing views?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 15, 2014 - 01:17am PT
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Cripes allmighty clink, do the canadians have to tell you everything?
I hereby ordain myself as the all Enlightened One and decree that all Canadians who try to tell you everything shall be henceforth regarded as lesser human beings. They shall forfeit common rights enjoyed by their non-Canadian know-it-alls and be forced to live part of their lives in secret because of the stigma I have thus created, rightfully so.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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May 15, 2014 - 01:30am PT
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I'm not anti-Christ, although my ex might argue that I'm THE Anti-Christ.
Rather, I'm anti-bigotry - more specifically, anti-anti-gay bigotry as vigorously practiced by certain Christian organizations in the form of advocating for disciminatory public policy such as the denial of marital equality for that 6% or so of the population who are homosexual.
I do not believe in Christ's divinity - and believe, as most scholars do, that his present day incarnation is largely fictional - an opinion based on the paucity of historical evidence to the contrary. After stripping away all the divinity nonsense, I also aspire to observe the Golden Rule.
That should be specific enough to clear up any further misconceptions I should think.
Aaaand I'm still waiting for that one, brave Christian to reconcile active bigotry with the aforementioned Christ's message of love.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 15, 2014 - 01:31am PT
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I'll second that motion!
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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May 15, 2014 - 01:35am PT
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Love is action, not words. And love involves a giver AND a receiver. Ask the gay community whether they they view Christian bigotry as a form of love...or hatred.
The world is full of people who offend us, and much less full of people who actually threaten us.
And really, really full of people who can't differentiate between the two.
Hint: It's not right to pass laws against people, particularly people who are not actually in our lives in any way, who offend us. After all, one chooses to be offended.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 15, 2014 - 01:38am PT
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Aaaand I'm still waiting for that one, brave Christian to reconcile active bigotry with the aforementioned Christ's message of love.
That was nice Tvash. But you didn't answer any of my questions?
Christs message was/is "love thy brother as thyself." That doesn't mean I want to stick my dick in his butt. That's just gross!!!
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 15, 2014 - 01:42am PT
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Christs message was/is "love thy brother as thyself." That doesn't mean I want to stick my dick in his butt. That's just gross!!!
All that have had anal sex with either sex have fallen short of... what? Blue, not cool and a slippery slope.
With or without KY.
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