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wivanoff
Trad climber
CT
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Mar 20, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
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I knew about the local honey thing - at least for Spring/Fall allergies.
Since all of those plants have the same allergen (Urushiol) does that mean you are also immune to poison ivy and poison sumac?
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 20, 2014 - 02:43pm PT
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I assume so? We don't have ivy or sumac around here so I can't test that
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julton
climber
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Mar 20, 2014 - 02:58pm PT
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You haven't tested poison oak yet!
Urushiol is a mixture of compounds which varies depending on the plant species.
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otisdog
Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
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Mar 20, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
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There used to be a medication called 'Neoxyn', or something similar. It was 94% hydrogen peroxide, and came with popsickle sticks. You poured it onto the blisters and scratched with the sticks, breaking the blisters - then you poured more on the exposed oils. Worked well, and was nice to be able to scratch your itch, too. After I ran out, I tried using just the hydrogen peroxide, and it was equally effective.
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alleyehave
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 20, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
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The f*#k did I just read?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Mar 20, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
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You're so sneaky, Kath.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 20, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
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Ha! eKat that is awesome!
I figured even if it was a placebo effect I'd still be happy, as long as there was an effect. Sometimes after eating it I start imagining I itch everywhere. I should set up a sneaky dosing plan...
Edit: thanks for the info too!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 20, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
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T Hocking, yer logic is based on the premise that Locker started out lightly.
This I doubt.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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Mar 20, 2014 - 07:41pm PT
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I grew up severely reactive to honey bee stings to the point I could die. I went through 5 years of systematic desensitization. I would go to an allergist every week and sometimes every other week where I would receive an injection of diluted bee venom, would have to wait an hour, check me over, and then I'd be on my way. On one occasion they gave me a shot of epinephrine to get it out of my system.
I haven't been stung in over 20 years, so I have no idea how effective it was.
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julton
climber
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Mar 20, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
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There are different mechanisms that result in allergies and bee stings are due to a particular type of antibody response whereas poison oak elicits a response by immune cells. So even though desensitization works for bee stings it doesn't necessarily mean it will work for poison oak.
So does it work? I've looked into this before and read conflicting things. There have been some studies with both positive and negative results. Supposedly you have to keep eating it periodically to maintain the protection. I'm skeptical and not willing to be a guinea pig.
If you're really immune you should be able to roll in the stuff, not just kick a branch. If all it does is reduce your sensitivity by some amount it will be hard to prove that since the amount you are exposed to at any time is invisible. And sensitivity has an age component as well.
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julton
climber
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Mar 20, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
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Peanut allergy is also an IgE response like bee sting, isn't it? We need an immunologist to post here. It's just too easy to find people on the internet to say that something worked but harder to actually show it.
But a little chocolate wouldn't hurt. There's a compound in chocolate (I forget what it's called) that binds to the same receptor in human brains that THC binds to.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Mar 20, 2014 - 10:37pm PT
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What happened to the guy eKat thought needed subliminal sex therapy?
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Sioux Juan
Big Wall climber
Costa mesa
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Mar 20, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
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YOU ARE GONNA DIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP US POSTED !!!!
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2014 - 12:07am PT
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I admit kicking a branch isn't exactly scientific proof, but for how sensitive I was I consider it pretty solid evidence.
I don't have the guts to really go for it, but maybe in a few more months I'll make a PO slip-n-slide or something for the skeptics.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Mar 21, 2014 - 01:35am PT
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I got two used wild country flex stem cams, two old sets of tele skis(with no bindings), some pieces of static rope, and some new socks for anyone that posts YouTube video of them eating a salad. I'll even pay shipping if it is a big salad. Who knows, if you put some pan seared tuna and wasabi on there you could sell it as medicinal for $50 a plate.
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dfinnecy
Social climber
'stralia
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Mar 21, 2014 - 05:06am PT
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This reminded me of an article I read a while ago about treating allergies in very severely allergic kids:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/magazine/can-a-radical-new-treatment-save-children-with-severe-allergies.html?pagewanted=all
The strategy to get rid of the allergy is to start by feeding the kids very tiny, tiny doses and then gradually increase the dose. This has to be done over a long period of time.
WRT the peanut desensitization it should be noted that one isn't something to try on your own, results may include death (like climbing), so get a doctor to help. And don't go spiking your allergic buddies' beer!
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Mar 21, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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I don't much like poison oak, or rather it doesn't much like me. Keeps me away from some places I'd otherwise really like to go. I'm not willing to start eating the stuff though... I'd rather just avoid it.
Hope that immunity is real for you, and that you're able to maintain it.
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OR
Trad climber
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Mar 21, 2014 - 11:45am PT
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Mr Way would turn a 5 min approach into an hour to avoid the stuff.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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Mar 25, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
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Daniel, when you told me last November at Balch camp that you are doing immunization from poison oak by eating it, I took it as you are joking 100%.
wow, I still can not fully believe that you are serious, but looks like it works..
congratulations...
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