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nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 13, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
Karen, as much as I enjoy the fact that SEAS dropped 33% today it is beyond difficult to attribute it directly to #blackfish.

It'll dead cat bounce tomorrow but it's still probably an excellent stock to short - $9 seem reasonable.

If SEAS changes their approach I'd support them as I would any company. But for now I hope they fail and if I had a couple ten grand I'd short the sh#t out of this stock after it bounces tomorrow.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 13, 2014 - 05:48pm PT

Good news...

One of my best memories was when i was 10 and went to seaworld. Being so close to those animals took away some of my fear of them. Which helped me later to start surfing. i can't wait to take my 8yro to go to seaworld!
Unless you guys get'em banned. i think it's sad what ur promoting. i think the science, the help, the teaching, the personal connectivity between man and animal that seaworld offers is marvelous!

But i don't condone what Japan is doing, they need to be spanked!
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 13, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
You confuse me. I don't understand how you fail to realize how keeping these sentient and self-realizing animals in captivity is cruelty. And it makes me concerned about your child more than anything. Certainly (s)he will realize this, no?

We have many ways to learn about all creatures and phenoms of this planet. Must we isolate orcas in a fish tanks to learn about them or to appreciate them? Clearly my answer is 'no'. If we disagree then please let's discuss.

I went to SeaWorld in '88 or so. My impression is neutral to be very honest. My lack of fear of the sea came from spending time floating and diving it. I can guarantee you that you cannot lose your fear of sharks by watching them do back flips. Gotta go jump in with them. Same goes for big dolphins like the orca.

And really... take your wonderful offspring to the San Juan Islands for a real Orca adventure. They will never ever forget that. Bleh... the only reason I remember my SeaWorld trip now is because of how much I believe they need to change their practices.

Credit: nature

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 13, 2014 - 06:19pm PT
At least the Japanese are eating what they kill, BluBlokr. That's the slight moral advantage of sustenance compared to entertainment.

Science is like athletics, it's very specific. Watching a cetacean swim around in a pool and react to being in a pool makes for good science if observing a whale swimming circles in a pool is the object.

Entertainment is like taking a coffee break from work, work being how you make a life for yourself.

How Sea World, the Vancouver Aquarium and other outfits have prospered is by giving people an experience with nature that they long for but in the past, couldn't access. That's not how it is anymore. There are plenty of guiding services to fulfill any desire, to do anything up to and including having your picture taken on the South Pole.

The first time I watched free animals breach, breath and disappear into the ocean was the first time I thought keeping them in a concrete swimming pool was wrong.

The best part is that it's free to you. Get in a boat and look for them. Forgive the bad English but it's like going fishing...

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 13, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
Thanks Guys!

Dually noted!

Nature your a diver and water guy. This affords you more interaction time. we're up here in the desert. Play'in in water is definitely a luxury. And those charters ain't cheap! And sometimes you don't see nuthin. seaworld is like $25w/coupon and a 2hr drive. It is a low cost guaranteed interaction with wild animals thats easy to do with young children. when she's 12-13 yea, i take her diving in Hawaii, maybe you'll have a boat by then?


Jim, my response was about the fishing techniques that inconsequentially kill other species than the one's being hunted. Like the dolphins getting trapped in tuna nets.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 13, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
Yes, but I'm busted for joking about marine mammals being fish...

Is a dolphin caught in a tuna net any different to a dolphin obsessively swimming clockwise in a concrete tub ?

Maybe, if both animal's shortened life spans aren't worth equating.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 13, 2014 - 07:55pm PT
blue... understood and noted. I'll work on that boat ;)

but keep in mind at the same time I live in Boulder, CO. about as far away from the ocean as you could be in the good ol' USofA. Still... I can remember being a teenager.
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Aug 13, 2014 - 08:14pm PT


BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree

seaworld is like $25w/coupon and a 2hr drive. It is a low cost guaranteed interaction with wild animals thats easy to do with young children.

Aquarium of the Pacific is more interactive and has more things to do for younger kids.
http://www.aquariumofpacific.org

I've never been but I have a biologist friend that transferred there from the Denver Aquarium and she can't stop raving about it. She turned down a job at Monterey Bay to run AOP's sea otter program. Both are accredited by the association of zoos and aquariums so there is higher standard of animal management and safety.
karen roseme

Mountain climber
Bishop
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
How Sea World, the Vancouver Aquarium and other outfits have prospered is by giving people an experience with nature that they long for but in the past, couldn't access. That's not how it is anymore. There are plenty of guiding services to fulfill any desire, to do anything up to and including having your picture taken on the South Pole.

The first time I watched free animals breach, breath and disappear into the ocean was the first time I thought keeping them in a concrete swimming pool was wrong.

Nice thoughts Jim!
karen roseme

Mountain climber
Bishop
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2014 - 07:44am PT


Jim Wharton " A few things to consider before taking your family to watch the dolphin show.... That's not a smile, that's just how their mouths are shaped. I have spent years investigating captive dolphin programs on site at dolphinariums in Hawaii and California and while serving in the US Navy was TDA at the Marine Mammal Program, Naval Amphibious Base, Coronado CA as a handler. I also have more than thirty years experience interacting with wild marine mammals in the ocean as a professional diver & captain working in marine mammal research and as a guide and operator of recreational scuba charter services in the South Pacific. Here are a few observations based on my firsthand experience:

Dolphins (orcas aka "killer whales" are the largest member of the dolphin family) along with some higher primates such as humans, chimpanzees & orangutans, are among the few animals known to display high-order, complex self-awareness behavior, and they are the only creatures besides humans, who are known to address their friends and family members by individual names. Another exceptional dolphin feature is their super-acoustical sonar ability.The best sonars humans have invented are toys in comparison. One of the main reasons the average captive dolphin lifespan is 5 yrs (instead of the 50 that wild dolphins live) is stress from being confined in small concrete tanks (a madhouse of acoustical ricochets) while bombarded by cheers & applause of crowds, filtration motor pumps, etc. Within 5 years their normal 50 year lifespan ends as they go insane from these unbearable conditions, the heartache of seperation from friends & family and they die with no desire to continue to live- that no amount of tranquilizers (usually a combination of valium & tagament) can overcome.

Dolphinariums claim that their mission is to protect dolphins in the wild through research and public education, yet places like Seaworld spend less than 1% of their profits for these purposes and the actual capture of wild dolphins by the multi-billion dollar industry is a horror story they go to great lengths to conceal and results in the slaughter of thousands of dolphins each year. If dolphins are so happy in captivity, why do they die so fast? Why the secrecy about their mortality rates? Behavior disorders? Sedative drugs?

No doubt, there would be fewer spectators if people knew how many animals were dying to amuse them and how insane the survivors become. Perhaps if the death and mental health records were displayed at the entrance, less people would buy a ticket."

Well put JIm!
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Aug 19, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
Sea World is going to invest several hundred million in revamps at its three units. That should help conditions,no?
I did not know they only charged 25 bucks. Probably easier for lower income families to manage that cost compared to other entertainment park.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 19, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
Nature, you'de better buy some stock quick!

You know, so you can afford a boat.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 20, 2014 - 01:25am PT
Harpoon a dolphin! Drag it onto your boat, look it in the eye, apologize
for killing it. It will readily give you forgiveness (flipper wave)
then cut its throat.

Now eat the dolphin:

GRILLED DOLPHIN
1 1/4 lb. thickly sliced dolphin
8 cloves fresh garlic, minced
1/2 c. olive oil
1/2 tsp. paprika
1/2 c. rice vinegar
Salt if desired
1/2 tsp. pepper, black lg. ground

Dinner for 4. Cut off any dark meat on dolphin. Marinate 4 even slices of dolphin in large bowl. All ingredients mixed for at least 6 hours. Grill 5-7 minutes on each side depending on thickness. Approximately 10 minutes total for 1 inch fillets. Baste with marinade mix while grilling.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Aug 23, 2014 - 10:35am PT
Good news story :

Credit: Jim Brennan
karen roseme

Mountain climber
Bishop
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
Great story JIm!
karen roseme

Mountain climber
Bishop
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2014 - 06:48am PT
Lawsuit: SeaWorld lied to investors about real cause of sluggish attendance numbers

Michael Chen
6:53 PM, Sep 11, 2014

Copyright 2012 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
SAN DIEGO - A new lawsuit alleges cover-ups and fraud at SeaWorld, as the attorney for the shareholder now suing the theme park speaks out.

In mid-August, SeaWorld suffered a one-day 33 percent plunge after a lackluster earnings report. In the earnings call, SeaWorld acknowledged the impact of the fallout of the film "Blackfish," critical of orcas in captivity.

The class-action complaint alleges federal securities violations and claims SeaWorld broke the law by not acknowledging it sooner.

In the 14 months since "Blackfish" hit theaters, SeaWorld has blamed slumping attendance numbers on everything from the weather to holidays.

In the just-filed federal complaint, a Michigan shareholder accuses SeaWorld of lying to keep its stock price high.

Attorney Jonathan Stern, who represents the investor, said, "It violates securities laws if you know the reason and don't tell investors the real reason for that problem."

Stern claims it's implausible that surveys about "Blackfish" SeaWorld has said it was conducting would not have pointed to problems.

"The press coverage made it clear it was having an effect. The only one claiming it wasn't having an effect was SeaWorld," said Stern.

Stern alleges the SeaWorld cover-up kept the stock price inflated, allowing its key shareholder, The Blackstone Group, to dump its shares -- going from a 63 percent stake in the company in April 2013 to a 22 percent stake a year later.

Last month, SeaWorld acknowledged for the first time the "Blackfish" impact.

"If SeaWorld is found guilty, they're certainly going to be seen as not honest or trustworthy," said Miro Copic, a marketing professor at San Diego State University.

Copic said the lawsuit creates more potential issues for SeaWorld.

Weeks after announcing it will double the size of the orca exhibit, SeaWorld again is facing more "Blackfish" fallout.

Copic said if this grows into a large class-action suit -- ending in stiff penalties for SeaWorld -- the film's impact would stay front and center in the headlines.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 13, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
Seaworld stock continues to tank. Capitalism works well sometimes, in this case it is destroying SeaWorld.

Credit: Jon Beck
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Nov 13, 2014 - 04:51pm PT
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