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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
Steve

That's some of the coolest historical climbing photos I've seen. The first one is a dream. TFPU!
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Nov 27, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
Rock Climbers in Action in Snowdonia is an ageless classic . The book includes that striking photo of Drummond on Great Wall, bathed in a dim light, with only blackness above.

Rob owned a copy of RCIAIS and we pored over it before our visit in 1977. I was reading it recently and it notes that Byrn Bigil, Al Harris’ house beautifully described by Rob above(I had clean forgotten the disco ball in the living room!), was rented by Peter Crew in the 1960s before Harris took up residence.

Another book on Welsh Rock that is well worth the time is Snowden, by Jim Perrin. It is a history (and not just climbing) of Mt. Snowden (the highest point in the British Isles). For those who haven’t been over there, Cloggy, the best Welsh crag, rises close to the summit of Snowden.

One chapter is called “Colonizing the Vertical” and makes the point that the British class system was enforced even in climbing guidebooks, which were originally produced by the elite of British society. Perrin cites instances of first ascents by the wrong sort of people being ignored or not believed. Quite a fascinating book and Perrin is always a joy to read.

I made a diminutive first ascent in Wales in 1977, on the Fachwen boulders near LLanberis. A photo of it appeared on a bouldering site recently.

http://news.v12outdoor.com/2013/03/11/harriss-arete-6b/

Not exactly a “wall” by Yosemite standards, I’ll admit, but then I didn’t name it! I can’t quite tell,but it may be the same route that Jack Roberts is on in the photo posted earlier in this thread by Rob. That photo was taken by Al Harris with my camera.

The sea cliff traverse Rob mentioned with Joe Brown, T.I.M. Lewis, Al Harris, Gib, and Rob (Ken Wilson was not there to my memory) was one of the highlights of a memorable summer.

Crunch: Harris was a master of the rock dropping technique you mention, employing large, flat rocks that caused a terrifying whoosh on the way down and a veritable geyser of cold seawater rising up to meet you. Harris demonstrated his skill while I was in the middle of a Tyrolean traverse bridging a small cove. I can still hear his maniacal laugh!
Blakey

Trad climber
Sierra Vista
Nov 27, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Rick,

Do you mean this one? It's the only pics I'm familiar with of Drummond on Great Wall.

It was taken by Ken Wilson and is from Hard Rock.

Steve

Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Nov 27, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
Just checked it. Plate 31 of RCIAIS of Crew, not Drummond, on Great Wall.
Andy Fielding

Trad climber
UK
Nov 27, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
I don't have the book but is it this one Rick?

Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Nov 30, 2013 - 11:52am PT
That's the one. According to the book, the photo is Crew on Great Wall in 1965. The caption says that the climb was originally called "Master's Wall," in light of the attempts to climb it by Joe Brown. Crew inspected it, and inserted chockstones for protection, on rappel,then renamed it Great Wall after his success.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2013 - 11:10am PT
jaaan

Trad climber
Chamonix, France
Dec 1, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Hey Marlowe, the photo of John Redhead on Cardiac Aręte graced the cover of one of the Tremadog guidebooks. What you don't know is that it is my route! I was standing next to Paul Williams when he took the shot. I was quietly smiling to myself as JR was doing it all wrong! Of course he got away with it - just made it much harder for himself! Here are a couple of not very good shots of the first ascent on the 7 December 1980...


Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
Jaaan

Fantastic... history as it emerges... Redhead's position is desperate, while you're quite relaxed...
Blakey

Trad climber
Sierra Vista
Dec 1, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
And here it is......

Slightly earlier, or later in the sequence Jon - did he fall after the first shot?


He looks like he's going the right way here, mighty impressive if he pushed on through clamping and beer pumping!

But then he was pretty impressive.

A fantaastic route to have on your CV!


jaaan

Trad climber
Chamonix, France
Dec 1, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
Thanks Steve! I was sure it was the same shot, but obviously not. No, he didn't fall off, as far as I can remember. While climbing JR's route to the left, Sexual Salami, I'd noticed the line of Cardiac Aręte. Sometime later I placed two not so great pegs in it (one was a thin blade that went in about an inch max and I had to bend it down and tie it off) and led it. A while later Phil Thomas in a fit of ethics removed all the pegs at Tremadog, including CA's. Later someone replaced CA's with two bomber ones - why were mine so crap?! I think that's how it stands now.

Later again I noticed a line left of Sexual Salami and went up there with Paul Williams (this might or might not have been on the occasion that Paul photographed JR on CA). I took several falls off the overlap crux onto a #0 RP and eventually it ripped through the rock, at which point I gave up. We walked around to the top of the crag to rap down for the gear... and bumped into JR and Jim Perrin. There was no hiding the chalk and the gear hanging under the overlap! I told JR to go for it as long as Paul and I could tag along. JR fired it easily. I followed. Then Paul. Then we all pulled Perrin up it! I'd wanted to call it Science Friction but JR thought Hitler's Buttock was a better name. Here's the crux (following JR) that I'd fallen off so many times (in my best onion seller's shirt and false moustache).

Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Dec 3, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
I'll have to check out my copy of Hard Rock for some pix.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 3, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
So it was blowin' a ton at Anglesey and the Pass was the proverbial flat rock
so Tremadog it was - just a bit o' the damp to keep the bloom on yer cheeks
and ceertainly no need of chalk. Oh, wait, nobody had started using that shite
yet so we had to route find all on our own.
LongAgo

Trad climber
Dec 10, 2013 - 12:50am PT
Climbers in Action in Snowdinia

Still on the shelf here, not wasted away much. Read sections sipping a brew from time to time. Some tales and portraits in the climbing library hold up well, others fade. It's all in the characters not the feats, I find, as time goes on.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 19, 2014 - 01:38pm PT

Wales, Dinas Cromlech: FA of The Girdle in 1956 by Joe Brown and Don Whillans
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2014 - 02:01pm PT

North Wales Limestone - an article by Andy Pollitt in Mountain 90, 1983
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2014 - 03:11am PT

Ron Fawcett talks about soloing (UKC Article):

I loved Tremadog. In those days it wasn't just an excellent place to climb when the weather in the mountains was bad. It was a crucible for some of the hardest routes being done in the country. The first new route I did there was Cream, done with Pete [Livesey] during the international climbing festival in 1976 when I turned twenty-one.

Pete played his trick of snookering me into falling as I followed him up the second pitch. The following year I'd got rid of the aid point on Void, an excellent new climb on the edge of the powerful looming buttress most famous for Joe Brown's route done in 1960 – Vector. But what I loved most about Tremadog was soloing there. The routes seemed to be made for me, long, flowing sequences on routes up to 250ft in length. The first ascent of Lord of the Flies is how people remember my contribution to the Rock Athlete series, but the opening credits of each programme showed me soloing a route called Tensor, on Craig Y Castell, just above the village of Tremadog itself. Sid used the footage in slow motion, and in doing so caught something of the strange mixture of feelings you get while soloing high above the ground, of being calm but utterly focussed. I see myself totally absorbed and living intensely; it's what I love about the sport.

My own soloing had started from the early days at Haw Bank and Crookrise, more out of necessity than any addiction to danger. I worked out colossal circuits of routes on all the crags near my home, and would run up onto the moors to get to them. When I moved to Ilkley, I brought that habit with me, and over the years developed a sequence of routes I felt comfortable soloing, like North-west Girdle, Western Front and Wall of Horrors at Almscliff, and something similar at Ilkley and Caley too. Long days at Tremadog were just an extension of this process.

There were times in my climbing career when I did fall soloing. Early on there was the moment at Gordale when a hold broke and I landed close to the group of picnickers. After that, I hobbled up to Malham on crutches and mates would top-rope me so I could keep fit until my ankle healed. Also, there was the bizarre moment when I just let go of the rock at Crookrise, while chatting to Al Evans. I became adept at jumping off, and could get away with the most amazing falls. I jumped off from high on a route at Ilkley once, spraining an ankle, only to discover someone had swiped my trainers while I was climbing. I had to hobble home in my EBs.

Soloing was a big part of the climbing scene in the 1970s, especially in Wales. Eric Jones was just one of several guys doing it regularly, along with his friend Cliff Phillips and other stars like Pete Minks, Richard McHardy and Alan Rouse. It was seen as the deepest, scariest game in town and was undoubtedly addictive. For those routinely using psychoactive drugs, as some in the Welsh scene were, naturally manufacturing your own high through extreme physical experiences was obviously appealing. I can't claim that's what inspired me. I got a buzz from the danger of it, I can't deny that, but most of the time I was in control.

Not always though. I remember trying to solo Positron around this time, one of the best-known routes on the steep main wall at Gogarth. It was a crag where I felt completely at home. Gogarth isn't like the limestone climbing I was used to in Yorkshire; it's more open handed, like gritstone, and with my big hands I felt very comfortable on it. I did major free ascents on the main cliff wall around then, Citadel and Mammoth among them, and in the summer of 1980 the first ascent of an E6 called The Big Sleep.

Still, soloing Positron was a sobering challenge. Al Rouse had taken a huge fall from it on the aided first ascent, getting into the meat of the third pitch, on the steepest part of the wall, after trying every piece of gear he had behind the flake he was hanging from. Next day he went back with the right size of Moac nut clenched between his teeth, managed to get it placed and then clipped in for a rest. This was the point I reached, only without the Moac and without a rope to clip it into either. Launching out onto that huge, leaning white wall is imposing enough tied on, but with just a chalk bag at your waist it takes a lot of self-control.

I'd done Positron before and knew I could climb it, but suddenly I was assailed by doubt. I felt my momentum crumble. I knew at once I had to be anywhere but hanging off that flake in the middle of an overhanging wall a hundred feet above the sea. There was just one clear thought looping round my head: 'How the f*#k do I get off this?' Could I possibly survive a fall from here? I looked at the sea, sucking in and drawing back from the base of the cliff. If I landed in the sea would I have a chance? Two or three times I bunched up on my footholds, preparing to jump into the great void below me, but each time couldn't commit. Eventually, I scuttled back down, fingers weakening and a rising tide of panic in my chest, to a large spike just above the belay and wrapped both arms around it. And there I stayed, clinging to the spike like a drowning man hugs the spar of a wrecked ship. Slowly the adrenalin subsided and my arms relaxed. I reached the belay and traversed into Rat Race, an easier route, and climbed this instead to its junction with Cordon Bleu, which at VS was easy enough for me to down-climb to the bottom of the main cliff. Positron was soloed, four years later, by Stevie Haston.

Ron Fawcett in Pushing the Limits: Extreme Rock 1984. A Leo Dickinson film.
[Click to View YouTube Video]

From the "What became of Brit climber Ron Fawcett" thread.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Mar 2, 2014 - 05:38am PT
hey there say, marlow... this is great, not sure if i saw it first time, out, or not...


really enjoy seeing it... hope to see the pics, more, later this week...

thanks for sharing...

my friend, that is welsh, may know of some of these places, though, she has not been back, since her younger days... and of course, she never went climbing...

will share with her...
jaaan

Trad climber
Chamonix, France
Mar 2, 2014 - 06:16am PT
Watching Ron's rather sketchy footwork on both Strawberries and the Prow reminds me of how utterly crap those old red and yellow Hanwags were! We all bought them following Ron's lead and thought they were wonderful - the Emperor's new clothes, of course. Great big clumpy things with cardboard soles. Just goes to show how strong Ron was!
Andy Fielding

Trad climber
UK
Mar 4, 2014 - 05:38pm PT
Did The Prow in about 1980 when it was still A2. Those were the days in winter down in Miller's Dale when the only sound you could hear was the ring of peg hammers. The route now goes free at 7C+ (5.13a). Description below is from UKC/ROCKFAX.

50m, 3 pitches. One of the historic landmark routes of the Peak. The way to climb it these days is in one giant pitch from the ground for an amazing 8a tick, although it is still a good 7c+ tick done in one pitch to the belay of Body Machine. Climb up the Body Machine start then traverse rightwards past a belay and up the technical wall to a big hole in the break. Move slightly right again and then straight up the tufa line via superb moves. Enter the massive groove line above and get a sneaky rest at the Body Machine belay. Finally climb up to the giant roof and exit via very powerful moves to a belay up and right. © ROCKFAX
FA. Ron Fawcett, Gill Fawcett 1982 (over 3 days). Followed the line of some of the aid route 'The Prow Route' (Bob Dearman, J.Gerrard 1963) although not the start or middle section.

Sorry Marlow that was a slight detour into the Peak District. Now back on topic and over to Wales.
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