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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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I'm a patron of "The Dean"
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Locker - Have YOU heard of ANY of THEM???... DUH
I spent more time, processing, developing, proofing and printing, etc, b&w film than a black widow spider spends in some dark place their whole life. I still have a 4x5, 5x7 and 8x10 cameras and enough large format glass to sink a ship. Which calculates into what was more of a first love; landscape photography. Worked for pro commercial photographers, primarily in their dark room, along with everything else for several years. I also liked shooting people, which lead to fashion photography. What do you think we focused on the first 2-3 years of film school...b&w! Whose work do you think we studied and attempted to emulate until they were coming out of our ears?
Okay, this is my last post on this thread. Already took up way to much space (talk about getting off topic). Plus, I don't wanna pass the point of no return on the way to CozVille.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Damn splitter your posts are really long. Does anyone read them?
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Damn Splitter your posts are really long... Point noted. I will make an attempt to keep this post concise and to the point. But it's not something that I'm adept at, so whatever.
My beef is this...
We live in an age in which access to the world, and the whole worlds access to us, is just a fingertip away. All someone, great or unknown, needs to do is google their name into one of the search engines, or someone who knows them to google their name or stumble upon this spot and vuala, there it is. For instance, a while back I mentioned the name of a surf spot that I use to frequent on the surfing thread here on ST. A month or so later, I googled in the name on one of the search engines and it, the ST thread and my post, immediately popped up on top.
I've been posting for around 5 years and lurking for a few years before that. All the BS, slander, innuendos and downright lies posted about people that some here don't have a clue about has been an everyday occurrence (case in point/the Rollins thread). Who knows how much damage has been done at other peoples expense. Most of it total bull sh#t. And rumors spread like wildfire. I wonder just how many it would take to push someone over the edge?
As far as "chris v" and his article is concerned, he has been sharing stuff here on ST without much benefit and primarily for our enjoyment for going on ten years. He's an accomplished and gifted writer. The first half of the article, imho, was very well written. I was initially confused by the first few questions, highlighted areas of the interview, But it became fairly clear after that. He took a chance, backfired a little, probably will either refine it or shitcan that particular technique in the future.
I suspect, all in all, he did Dean a great service with the expsure and free publicity he allotted him through the article. What does he get in return from one of DF's friends (i guess he is, don't really know) a blunt, "it read like sh#t and was hard to understand. End of story...it read like crap."
The "interview" and highlighting was initially rather "confusing" but became clear to me that DF was being quoted. Plus, I noticed two minor topos (may have been more) big deal. Maybe an editor typed or over looked them. He has written excellent stuff about the climbing world for years. Yet he gets an, "If your going to be a pro writer, your stuff needs to be professional." as if this is all he has ever written over the last decade or more.
It's not a knock on Bullwinkle at all. Not directly it wasn't. That was not what I was insinuating. But you knocked someone that wrote a very complimenting book review of his Stone Nudes book, and photography in general. Someone who Dean said himself in the article we are discussing hear, that he "admires" and for very good reasons, I might add. What do you have to say about him, "BFD", etc! What if Bruce Weber stumbles upon this thread. He might have second thoughts about ever supporting Deans career and road to some eventual museum, additional work or whatever. BW is a world renown artist. Bullwinkle isn't, and frankly, at this point in his life, can use all the "accolades" from famous artist that he can get. You dissing someone like Bruce Weber on a forum open to the general public isn't exactly doing Dean "Bullwinkle" Fidelman a favor, imo!!
I could say much more, both pro and con, but like Karodrinker said, "Does anyone read them?" so why bother...!
edit: btw, a little respect can go a long ways. On the other hand, trashing someone with a lot of pull, can do a lot of damage. Regardless of who a person is, most peeps deserve a modicum of respect. Could make a significant and positive diference in this FU world we attempt to exist in. ...just sayin!
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john bald
climber
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Much respect for Dean. A young man who took his dream and ran with it!
As for the interviewer, ???
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 25, 2014 - 10:26am PT
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john bald
climber
Nov 5, 2013 - 05:35am PT
Much respect for Dean. A young man who took his dream and ran with it!
Bump for Bullwinkle.....
John so true.... Dean is one of the few people I have ever known who lives his life on his own terms. He isn't out for $$$$$ success.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Apr 25, 2014 - 10:55am PT
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That is a fun shot upthread of young Bullwinkle Fidelman after some restoration.
I think the interview might not have even been edited; it is kind of rough and has some errors and could have been quite a bit more cogent. Chris Van Leuven is a terrific writer; I am a fan. But this piece from last year is not worthy of Bullwinkle nor Chris. I never read Mtn Gazette so I don't know where the pr
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Fish Finder
Social climber
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Apr 25, 2014 - 11:23am PT
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here , here Hank
thanks for the behind the scenes shot
Chris is talented and I have seen him hone his skills since I met him in the mid 90s
he is dedicated and a hard worker at his craft
You will be seeing lots of his works published in the future
although the pattern in this particular interview is a bit off
its not that hard to gain some insight into the life of DF
See you in Yosemite CV
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 25, 2014 - 11:38am PT
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Peter, Thanks for fixxin that old slide.
I think Dean was about 17 at the time.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 25, 2014 - 11:48am PT
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Now I see where the whole beanie thang started - straight outta Compton?
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BruceAnderson
Social climber
Los Angeles currently St. Antonin, France
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Apr 25, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
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Dean is legit, and a super cool guy to boot. Allez Bullwinkle!!!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 25, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
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I privately wanted to see him climb in the gnude..
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Bushman
Social climber
The island of Tristan da Cunha
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Nov 25, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
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'Fidelman Climbed Well'
I saw Dean eat some lettuce,
I saw him climb do tell,
I saw him cling the mountain halls of 'King Valhalla' well,
I think I saw Dean climb,
He clung and he clung swell,
He rarely dropped his camera and clung it as he fell,
I think I saw him smile,
And heard him with his wit,
He took another photograph and never did he quit,
I saw him when he clung,
When he was very young,
He chose to view the world apart and gave to us his art.
I saw him when he climbed,
I heard the shutter click.
-bushman
11/25/2014
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jul 22, 2018 - 11:34am PT
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topical bump
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