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le_bruce
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Oakland, CA
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Nov 22, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
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No one for a second should believe that as a user group climbers are any better than the average "tourists" and "families" at pullouts. My hunch is that we're worse.
Look at these pics, taken a few weeks ago. We found six piles of sh#t and shitty toilet paper within 40 steps of p1 of the Rostrum N Face.
Now who would be down there...
Because digging holes is hard!
Yeah that ought to do it, mark a W in the good style column.
No trace left.
Compare in your mind the number of people that might pass through the pullouts or the JMT with the amount of traffic at the base of N Face of the Rostrum. And yet the base of the Rostrum looks as bad or worse...
Edit: Yes I do take pictures of human sh#t on my climbing days. It's a coffee table book project, four years in the making. Get yours for a loved one this Christmas!
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Nov 22, 2014 - 04:32pm PT
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A couple comments that I am sure will get some backlash...
If it is hard to put your stuff in a bear box, then even a percentage of the folks who know better will leave stuff in their car when they should not.
Same goes for pee and poo. If you are about to go hiking or haul a load at El Cap and need to go, do you drive the 10-15 minutes around the loop, yet again, just to get to a restroom, or do you drop trow and leave some biodegradable, albeit gross, business and get on with your trip?
I drive the loop, but I have annoyed at least one partner doing so, and been irked by the bizarre hypocrisy all over the park. You can't put trash cans and a crapper by El Cap because of the "impact", but mowing down any saplings that pop up in the meadow is just preservation as usual.
Yosemite has become such a bizarre place these days with a high end hotel, 2 places to get pizza, and yet you can find easily find yourself 20-30 minutes from a restroom in some pretty popular locations. You get one message that this is a giant wooded theme park, and another that says you can't take a stick home without destroying its ecosystem.
Finally you have short stay limits with a screwed up camping system mixed with short American sized vacations (the only thing we don't supersize). People come in with an agenda, and no time to ease into the place to really understand how to live in the park for their stay, rather than just do a strategic strike to snap their selfies in front of the best waterfalls, or to tick off the 4 star climbs in their grade and get the hell out of dodge. The urgency factor makes taking care of the place secondary to achieving goals. I am frankly surprised it is not worse than it is.
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tornado
climber
lawrence kansas
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Nov 22, 2014 - 06:34pm PT
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^^^yep, it's like a name brand. Suggest climbing in non-name brand climbing areas to most gym climbers and they look at you like "well, what I am gonna spray at about @ the gym on Tues?"
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