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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 21, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
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None of the sponsors are "letting it slide."
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Oct 21, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
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I'm not threatening anything, I made a little list of his sponsored and figured out how to get the things I need other ways..too easy.. I hate the whole industry because of sh#t like this...and sport climbing is neither...
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Oct 21, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
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Interesting contrast:
Based on the actions of the individuals involved with the Goblin Valley incident, the Utah National Parks Council has removed them from their leadership positions in the Boy Scouts of America.
“Leave No Trace” teaches the value of natural areas and the methods we can use to help protect and conserve these areas for future generations. We encourage all leaders and Scouts to review the “Leave No Trace” principles, as we are all a part of maintaining the integrity, character and the natural beauty of the outdoors for all living things.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Oct 21, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
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That's why I wonder what the Access Fund thinks.
Google News Search:
"Scout leaders" = About 65,600
"Joe Kinder" = 0
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Oct 21, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
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Would love to see someone, anyone (momentairily overcome with an honesty impulse) say, "i'm so sorry i was caught."
That's certainly a possibility, and it had crossed my mind right away. It may be true in this situation. However, only Joe and the people who know him well could say. From what I've read, I would have to reserve judgment about a "I'm sorry - sorry I got caught" attitude at this point.
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Oct 21, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
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make things right... damage is done. some things are irreversible. he/they f*#ked up. we all f*#k up. no need to crucify him. he seems repentant, evidently. shamed by his actions. perhaps some good will come of it. and who knows, maybe mother nature will tell us all to STFU and a rockslide will waste the remaining tree. then its all simply dust in the wind, eh?
but, in the meantime, it's the unmitigated gall of the action. its such an aberration from our individual and collective integrity as outdoorsmen, such a lack of respect for the intrinsic value of nature. it wasn't just any old tree. it, along with the other one, graced the landscape where few other living things (other than lizards, raptors, and climbers) fear to tread. I wonder how many, hawks, owls and sparrows have taken brief respite from their daily grind on its limbs over the past century, millennium, or more. but, life goes on.
this thread kind of reminds of this song...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 21, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
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You people are a bunch of freaks! I do not personaly know joe Kinder and did not read the apology but I did read all your rants about how he should lose his job and be eviserated and burned at the stake. And I know you all live in houses made of wood and ski on trails that used to have trees on them.
I had no clue that the tree was 1,000 years old? I can not speak for NY, CT or MA but in VT and NH I do not know any serious new routers or back country skiers who are not handy with a saw and a pair of loppers. Heck I have cut down trees new routing with the help of a state cop.
100 years ago Vermont was sheep country and 80% clear cut. It is amazeing to see the old photos. Hikeing in the woods you come accross stone walls on top of mountains. A reminder that these were open fields once. Now they are full of 70-125ft tall maples, oaks, ash, etc. despite being logged regularly. A birch tree grows to 70ft tall and over a foot in diamiter in about 25 years here. It is a struggle to keep my cabin from getting over grown. Every year you need to trim stuff back. Fields need to be cut every year or they dissapear in a decade.
Ron. Your a special one. Lusting for blood on that tree cutter but happy to take some rich aholes money to mount his guided trophy kill.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
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OK so you just wanted to write him a ticket. you deffinatly slung some sh#t his way.
I am a meat hunter. that trophy sh#t rubbs me the wrong way. Fixed a door in one of Mit Romnys houses last week. The den had so many dead critters on the wall and a full size griz standing in the middle of the room. Pissed me off pretty bad. I recon my rant is on video somewhers.
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
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I got through the first 80 posts of THIS thread and had read the original thread regarding the cutting of this juniper tree... and had to stop. But not before the following thought occurred to me:
Does ANYONE on the Taco write to NYC and bitch about the huge old tree that is chopped down for the sole purpose of being a Christmas attraction for tourists and the like?
Does ANYONE on the Taco write to the POTUS to complain about the traditional cutting of a huge old tree to be used for the sole purpose of being a Christmas attraction at the White House?
Food for thought.
~peace
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
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Does ANYONE on the Taco write to the POTUS to complain about the traditional cutting of a huge old tree to be used for the sole purpose of being a Christmas attraction?
I did. but I had some time on my hands.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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Still not the point. Christmas trees are fast growing and renewable. It's a simple distinction.
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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Right on, Icey.
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BlackSpider
Ice climber
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
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ITT: people who made Camp 4 at Yosemite a dump from overuse complain about chopping one tree and placing bolts.
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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Still not the point. Christmas trees are fast growing and renewable. It's a simple distinction.
The trees I just mentioned are OLD and HUGE... not some f*#king Christmas tree farm product.
They are not cutting down Charlie Brown trees for Rockefeller Center or the White House.
Got the distinction?
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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with the consent of the public.
Interesting, isn't it?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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This apples and oranges thread is bearing no fruit.
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
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tradmanclimbs - Every year you need to trim things back. It weren't just any old tree, said the owl to the hawk. It were my favorite tree, replied the sparrow. No worries little brother, said the hawk, its lone brother still stands, we will share it.
Wade - one was evidently their particular favorite, it no longer stands.
;)
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
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trees, plural.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
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The trees I just mentioned are OLD and HUGE... not some f*#king Christmas tree farm product.
They are not cutting down Charlie Brown trees for Rockefeller Center or the White House.
Got the distinction?
Yep, it's a false one.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 21, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
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I don't think losing a job because of something illegal done while representing the employer is an unfair imposition. It appears as if Joey-Brah didn't even value the job anyway, or at the very least had zero understanding of his reason for being on the payroll.
Being fired is the least he should expect.
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