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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
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It truly amazes me that even this has become politcized.
I shoulda known better, but it somewhat took me by surprise, also.
Time to go have a glass of Evian (spell that backwards!)
Susan
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 12, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
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Enjoy .... SC.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Oct 12, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
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In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains,
On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows,
In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame,
The good deeds a man has done before defend him
{Feel free to}List your good deeds and those of the Lawrence Labs{,the Tea Party (so-called)} below. {Don't be shy about bad deeds either.}
EDITS {}
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 12, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
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zBrown, sometimes.....not always. Life is what each day presents. I'm sure many that died in the incinerator camps WW2 had done plenty of good deeds. lynne
And Ron, you wrote, "state and federal government workers are way more insulted from the economy than the private sector, in every way." I interpret
that as you say, government workers are hit harder than the private sector and I still disagree. Try running a small to mid sized healthcare corporation. Double Dog Dare Ya :D Smiles Lynne
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John M
climber
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Oct 13, 2013 - 12:13am PT
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Lynne, he meant to write "insulated".. not insulted.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 13, 2013 - 12:14am PT
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After the dissolution of the USSR, due to a large extent from a totalitarian regime oblivious to the desires of the populace and an unhealthy dose of economic irrationality, the U.S. stepped in and spirited away those soviet scientists that were effective in their weapons programs. I believe these depatriated scientists recieved a hefty pay increase and much better living standards here under USSA government employ. If this drags on perhaps it would be beneficial to get a Rosseta Stone program for Chinese and/or Russian. Just sayin, comrades.
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John M
climber
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Oct 13, 2013 - 01:35am PT
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Lynne wrote,
Nursing at the government "tit" is not a productive argument, merely your view point.
Then Ron responded..
Absolutely agree with that Lynn! I use those terms for simplicity and not for degrading.
This was eye opening to me. Lois was the same way. She would say things that were deeply offensive to someone and not realize how offensive they were, and then complain that she had not insulted anyone. To her those terms were just the way that she talked. The problem comes when a person can't seem to realize that sometimes what they say is offensive. Or they just don't care that another person might find the language offensive. It reminds me of Southerners calling black people "niggers".
The term "government tit" has been used as an insult by the right for quite some time. They attempt to degrade anyone who works for the government, and fail to understand that they are then degrading the police, the fire department, the military, etc. And so that term has become a derogatory term.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 13, 2013 - 02:55am PT
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rick, you been smoking wacky weed again? where do you get this stuff?
After the dissolution of the USSR, due to a large extent from a totalitarian regime oblivious to the desires of the populace and an unhealthy dose of economic irrationality, the U.S. stepped in and spirited away those soviet scientists that were effective in their weapons programs. I believe these depatriated scientists recieved a hefty pay increase and much better living standards here under USSA government employ.
no this didn't happen... Russia still has an active nuclear weapons program.. and I believe their scientists stayed home...
you have a fertile imagination that you often mistake as reality...
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 13, 2013 - 04:19am PT
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One of my closest, best friend's father was head of security at the Rad Lab after he left the FBI (after being shot by a suspect). They do a lot of good work there, but they also develop nasty weapons.
Gimme Shelter, I was suppose to be going to Altamont, but my late brother Mac said the VW was full, I tried bicycling down from Saranap, got as far as Dublin (not the Irish Dublin, but the one on the junction of 680/580) .
Ironic isn't it. UC Berkeley is known for being a liberal-minded (great university, perhaps the world's best) but they have the Rad Lab and the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. Irony in the extreme.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 13, 2013 - 04:37am PT
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Who needs research? Tea Party types have the bible for comfort.
I'm in Shanghai.....oh boy, secular China is on a roll. The Moors invasion of Spain is going to look like very weak sauce.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 13, 2013 - 04:53am PT
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Jim, I am researching my navel. It says, Patrick you will never climb 5.12. I looked down at the ex-umbilical cord spot and replied: "Heck 5.12? if I could lead 5.7 I'd be happy."
And you have not been Shanghaied, have you? You should know better than working on freighters that claim they are going to Cabo San Lucas, and you end up in Shanghai.
EDIT
China is on a roll, a billion people on one roll? Is it a bagel or just some brown bread?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 13, 2013 - 04:58am PT
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Going up to the rooftop for sunset just across the river from a 2,073 ft. skysraper just being completed.....pretty impressive.
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Oct 13, 2013 - 09:51am PT
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Hey Ron-
As far as who makes those decisions....
Look no further than House Resolution 368, specifically as it relates to clause 4 section XXII. Seriously, look it up.
Here is some discussion of it on the floor, only takes a couple minutes:
http://youtu.be/0Jd-iaYLO1A
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 13, 2013 - 09:59am PT
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Ron Anderson welfare queen can't pay a $2000 hospital bill.
It's one thing for a 28 year old dirt bag climber.
But a man of your age to have to work out a payment plan for a $2000 bill is bullsh-t.
You are the reason why we need mandatory Ins.
I'm sick & tired of pay lazy people's way.
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jstan
climber
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Oct 13, 2013 - 11:48am PT
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It is really easy to post something that makes a thread all about the poster. Making this into a career is even easier. All we targets need do is stop cooperating.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 13, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
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Ever wonder where the supporting evidence for mobile bio weapons labs in Iraqui hands came from?
Cheney's imagination?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 13, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
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I won't mention names, but i have a friend who was a top level scientist and also had the ability to drink the Russians under the table, who was debriefed more than once in the oval office.
oh, an anonymous, highly placed source who told you things that would have been obviously very sensitive (if they had been true) with access to the highest levels of government... bragging about it to a real estate agent...
very credible rick...
...you must be right, forgive me my ignorance and obviously cluelessness to "the way things actually are".
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 13, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
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That hurts Ed. There is nothing more demeaning to me than to be called a real estate agent. For the record again, i am a General contractor licensed in two states. I hope for your sake that this budget battle/debt ceiling deal is quickly ended. I hope for our kids sake that in the near future we begin to get on a path of fiscal sanity. I want you to know i harbor no ill will toward you and in fact have a high degree of respect for your accomplishments and your sharing of scientific knowledge. My one point of disagreement is with the ideology that we have reached the zenith of sustainability and the only path forward is to regress backwards. Science has been our salvation in the expansion of the industrial age-why can't it be directed to new discovery and engineering of technologies to keep us on a forward path?
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
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I won't mention names, but i have a friend who was a top level scientist and also had the ability to drink the Russians under the table, who was debriefed more than once in the oval office. When a nation state self destructs because of populace discontent and economic stupidity it's former enemies have their way when they "come a helping". Looks like Chinese might be the launguage of the 21st century.
Neato! Since Tom Clancy has died sounds like you do have the "deep throat" stuff to start a new series of best sellers! Rock on...
From today's Santa Cruz Sentinel:
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_24298701/government-shutdown-thousands-bay-area-lab-workers-set
Susan
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Oct 13, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
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Sorry to learn of this Ed. I was scheduled to go to NM next week, canceled on Friday afternoon. I'll touch base when (if?) things are up and running again.
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