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T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Aug 29, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
blue crystal
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Aug 29, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
Outdoor Gal, thanks for the further reflections and the brief report on the student's dream.

Yes, the fencing could be logs next to a trail. Some people on FB did mention Duck Pass and the Duck Pass Trail -- I think it's in the same general area and goes up near Blue Crag.

I had thought the fencing was more near a drop-off. Maybe we can get more details about the fencing in the dream/vision. (It wasn't clear to me whether that was from the clairvoyant or Tiffany herself.)

Donna from Mammoth posted on FB re some other alternative:

do not know what fence it could refer to but the town bike trail to the Lake Basin has fence along the steepest area. Mammoth also has some historical mining areas with old fencing and buildings? If Matt hiked to the Lake Basin he could have gone by either area.

I need to do some other things soon, but will check back later.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Aug 29, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Hey zBrown don't forget to come bak and read this one.


tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
this what i saw but much larger. after searching the web all day its called a lemurian crystal.
266mm-Tibetan-Clear-Lemurian-Seed-Quartz-Crystal-Points-Specimen.jpg
266mm-Tibetan-Clear-Lemurian-Seed-Quartz-Crystal-Points-Specimen.jpg
Credit: tdg119
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Aug 29, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
tylerhenry

Social climber
Hanford
Aug 29, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
Hi guys!

I'm the medium who's original testimonial is found in the OP. I decided to join to answer any questions you guys might have, as I've been in contact with various intuitive people about this case for the past few days and have gotten quite a few responses. I've established a document compiling quite a few experiences/visions, however it's a work in progress.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xOg0HrKwpXQ34MEyKYFjj8c4H8KzzB3mVojEqJ27RJw/edit

After revising my original documentation of the Blue Diamond, I do not feel I found its exclusive meaning. Though I do feel it may have referenced to the terrain, I have to agree with the other individual who posted on this thread that there is indeed much more to it. It very well may have various meanings, and the document I've created will hopefully explore various possibilities.

Last night I had a dream of a very volcanic looking area -- the rock was darker and solid, and again, there were few trees. The portion I saw wasn't particularly rigid, however I know it had rigid parts. May have been a dome or an area where domes may be -- I've never been to Mammoth, so I have no idea of the terrain or if any area like I saw in my vision could even exist.

I'm trying to maintain a logical, intuitive approach to these visions and their compilation. A lot of people have had some profound dreams and experiences, and I don't want to discount anyone, as the possibilities are endless. I also want to find common denominators and note similarities in the visions for whatever they're worth.

Great suggestions on this thread thus far.
T

tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 29, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
At least from a couple of dreams the words "large crystal rock" stand out--with emphasis on *large* (Crystal crag again?...) The size of that "crystal" might be an important part of its meaning--as it was unusually large. And the posted photo does look like an icicle...there an image of June-time icicles in Ritter area online--they were hanging off vegetation branches above a creek, right above a little waterfall (formed from waterfall splashes).
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 29, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
And here's a list of gemnstones/minerals that one can search for in Mammoth area and the locations:

http://www.cityconcierge.com/mammoth-lakes/activities/rock-hounding.asp

I know that epidote forms long crystals but they're black, not sure about other stones.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Aug 29, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
Tyler, thanks for joining us and for your insights. I appreciate your organized approach and Google doc.

Do you remember any more about the fence, such as how tall it was, whether it consisted of posts joined by two lines of railings, or whether it was constructed in some other way?

Do you have any sense of how big the dome or dome-like mountain was?

When Matt showed you the map of Mammoth Crest, were the two prominent mountains on it? Or did you see him standing on the trail with the railing, looking at the mountains? Did you get a good look at the mountains, so you could see what they looked like?

I realize that the dream may have been fleeting and that it may not be possible to answer these questions...
RM217

climber
Aug 29, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
So...this afternoon I did some thinking...or should I say "unthinking." When I finally stopped trying to make sense of it was when it actually started making sense. And without explaining why (very long story) - the dream fit my way of thinking. And my dream began to make sense to me.

The tree - I believe has no significant value itself. The needles, the leaves, the detail. I don't believe that is important. It served as a distraction. The tree itself is an obstruction of view. What I am not sure of if it is a physical or emotional obstruction. My feeling is though, that it is both. Emotions can and will obstruct, distort, distract, making it hard to see anything else. Or the obstruction can represent that the view of Matt is physically obstructed.

The window/glass - it was crystal clear. The cleanest glass I have ever seen in my life. Trying to decifer this in the beginning, I was thinking binoculars, camera, something with a lens of some sort. It seemed to make sense especially with the out of focus areas of the window. But, I now attribute the out of focus areas on the obstruction of view. With my own words earlier, I wrote how when you take a close up shot, everything in the background is out of focus. That's what happened. I was so focused on the tree as significant, which took my focus off the surrounding areas where the real clues might have been. So, the glass represents to me that something is being missed and it shouldn't be because it should be quite clear. From everything I have read and learned so far, Matt is methodical, he is careful, he's a planner, yet he has the ability to "change course" if he needed to. He is able to spot danger and while he may love the thrill of hiking and climbing, he isn't a thrill seeker, living on the edge, so to speak. He has probably challenged himself and there was probably a time or two (hundred) that he said "whew." But, he learned and exhibited self-control. He respected nature. And he understood nature. He was aware of what equipment to use and what he may not have needed. Through the years, he has gained a vast amount of knowledge about well-being in the wilderness (food, water, etc). He is a quiet person and a private person and it seems he lives a simple life, and is somewhat a creature of habit, therefore predictable. To know Matt is to understand Matt. And I feel there are a select few that know Matt on that deep-connecting level, but I believe they might hold the key.

The glasses that were found are kind of a confirmation about the "crystal clear" thing for me. The glasses shouted "CAN'T YOU SEE?" But, we couldn't see, we can't see. The glasses were dirty and scratched...an obstruction.

Which brings me to the last and maybe most important object. The blue diamond. In the other dreams, the "blue thing" is called a crystal. I suppose a diamond is a crystal in a way. Although I saw the diamond more as a shape, not a ring I see it being significant as a "treasure." A treasure meaning something important (not necessarily as in monetary value). Whether it's a diamond or crystal (and either could be very relevant) it is something that I feel shouldn't be ignored. In Ron's dream, Matt was trying to give it to Ron, in the student's dream, it was behind Matt and in mine, it was almost hidden (by the obstruction). I will have to do some more "unthinking" about the "treasure." Both the gem and the color blue I think are significant. The shapes are all different. One in a wand. One in a diamond. One in a circle (rock/boulder).

(sorry again for long post)
tylerhenry

Social climber
Hanford
Aug 29, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
"Do you remember any more about the fence, such as how tall it was, whether it consisted of posts joined by two lines of railings, or whether it was constructed in some other way?"

The fence wasn't very tall at all. I'd say maybe four feet off the ground. (Just a general estimate). I saw two different types of fences. On one trail, it appeared as though there was a "fencing" that consisted of oak posts connected with wooden planks that went horizontally. I'll consult Google to try and find a visual example.

On the more profound vision, the fence consisted only of upward planks connected by a fine barbed wire. These fences were less intricate and simpler.

Do you have any sense of how big the dome or dome-like mountain was?


I've never been to Mammoth myself, so I have no idea what the norm would be, but the Dome was large enough to look like the side of a mountain. What's odd is that it wasn't very hard to climb -- it just had a smoother surface than a traditional mountain. I only saw the bottom portion of the dome/mountain, but I know had he kept going up, it would have been rugged and much steeper (not smooth like where I saw him as being).

Edit: He was towards the bottom of wherever he would have started venturing. There WAS snow/ice towards the top of this mountain.


When Matt showed you the map of Mammoth Crest, were the two prominent mountains on it? Or did you see him standing on the trail with the railing, looking at the mountains? Did you get a good look at the mountains, so you could see what they looked like?

He had mentioned two mountains in the Mountain Crest area. Whether that was just a reference to Mountains he had seen in prior trips, I don't know. There wasn't a direct correlation to his whereabouts, but it was incredibly notable. I got a good look at them. There didn't seem to be much if any snow where he was standing, so it makes me think he'd be elsewhere.

Possibly the two mountains he was looking at?
Possibly the two mountains he was looking at?
Credit: tylerhenry

I don't know the area, and want the professional opinion of well-experienced hikers to come before any form of psychic information. Though it certainly can be useful, the people who know the area certainly have an upper hand.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 29, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
RM, in my native culture the traditional meaning of a tree in a dream like this one is very important, this is from old book of interpretation of dreams:
"Tree in a dream means (symbolizes) a "person", their life, fate, their health, soul". "Strange, unusual-looking tree is a tree of destiny/fate of a person and one must pay attention to details of that tree"
Seeing a green blooming tree is good, dry--not so, etc. Needles (conifer) isn't a good thing to see, unless you see entire pine.
RM217

climber
Aug 29, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Tioga - I absolutely 1000% appreciate your insight on this. Sometimes the outside looking in provides more clarity than the inside looking out. I, too, did hear that before about the tree and I don't want to count that completely out either. What I initially thought was tree of life. And if you google that for images - there is a wide array of different kind of trees - like mine seemed to be. My brain was so wrapped up in trying to decifer this dream and I just told myself it was time to let it go for a while. I was starting to second guess everything...thinking I was reading in to it too much, or maybe not enough. I think I cleared my head and diverted my attention to something else completely and that's when it came to me...I was reminded of something I had gone through many years ago (my long story) and more than anything I felt it was an obstruction. Maybe the tree does still represent life (or at least hope of life - I am hopelessly optomistic, have always been). I suppose the "obstruction" could have come in any form (house, mountain, bright sun), so the fact that it was a tree could hold some value.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 29, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
I quoted these from one of the old "dream books" which go hundreds years back (but most likely thousands and based on older culture)...I've seen a relative of mine who died visit me in a form of a tree--in an intense dream I've seen many years ago--I knew/felt it was my family member, and it was a blooming tree, which gave me peace. Seen another intense tree dream that came true (about own fate), long time ago. The tree usually means your own fate/health unless you feel in a dream it's about another person. This tree could mean an obstruction at the same time.. double meaning. These old books often get the meaning right as soon as not go into fine detail, as these are ancient archetypes...Would be interesting if someone who knows Native American dream interpretation could try to read these dreams, I'm not familiar with it.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Aug 29, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
Tyler, thanks for your detailed reply! And hi! I wondered whether you were the same Tyler who's over on the Facebook page.

If you get the chance, I have a few more questions.

-You mention that the simpler fence was in the more profound vision. Which was the more profound vision? Also, were the upright planks in the simpler fence right next to each other (more like slats), or were they fence posts joined by wires?

-You say Matt was near the smooth lower sides of a domed mountain with snow/ice on top. Did you have a sense of what color the side of that mountain was? (I think in the second vision you said it was dark.) Did you have a sense of what it was made of -- for instance, do you have a sense of whether it was loose dirt, or something more pebbly, or smooth rock?

Thanks!

LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Aug 29, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
RM217, I like your "unthinking" and appreciate your discussion with Tioga.

I'm mostly on this thread because I hope that these dreams and intuitions can help find Matt. I'm not usually into spiritual stuff, at least not in public. But though I and we can think of practical meanings for the window and the tree, I nearly cried when I read your post. So I'm going to stop being practical for a moment and tell you what I thought of when I read your "unthinking" post. (I'm not pushing any point of view, just reporting my thoughts.)

First, the glass window. In Buddhism, the clearest glass is awareness, the unchanging frame around everything we experience. Supposedly to experience the awareness -- to feel more the awareness rather than its changing contents -- can bring peace and joy. Perhaps in a moment of extremity, one feels this pure awareness.

Second, the crystal. Matt was trying to give Ron a big crystal. You point out that a crystal or a diamond is a treasure -- not necessarily monetary. What was Matt's biggest treasure? His life. Simple, clear, and complete, like a crystal. Maybe he wants to give that to his friends and family.

But what gets in the way? Matt is too far away and can't reach them. They don't know what happened to him or where he is. Maybe that's why this bugs us so much and we want to find him.
tylerhenry

Social climber
Hanford
Aug 29, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
Tyler, thanks for your detailed reply! And hi! I wondered whether you were the same Tyler who's over on the Facebook page.

That's me! :)


-You mention that the simpler fence was in the more profound vision.
The simpler fence (wired one) came through right before I had the vision of Matt on the side of that mountain. It may imply that the trail he used to get there had this type of fencing.

Which was the more profound vision? Also, were the upright planks in the simpler fence right next to each other (more like slats), or were they fence posts joined by wires?

The more profound vision was the one in which Matt was on the side of the mountain -- the one where he was in the Mountain Crest area seemed happier and more trivial -- he was simply looking out into the horizon.

They were most definitely fence posts that were joined by wires -- the planks themselves were feet from another, connected by barbed wire of some sort.

-You say Matt was near the smooth lower sides of a domed mountain with snow/ice on top. Did you have a sense of what color the side of that mountain was? (I think in the second vision you said it was dark.)

It was indeed dark. Not black, but a darker grey. The rigid part of the mountain reminded me a lot of the consistency of rough tourmaline (pictured below).

Similar texture, not color.
Similar texture, not color.
Credit: tylerhenry


Did you have a sense of what it was made of -- for instance, do you have a sense of whether it was loose dirt, or something more pebbly, or smooth rock?

At the bottom of the mountain, there was definitely large gravel. That's the best way to put it -- large amounts of natural rock that would have been tough on the ankles without proper shoes. There were pretty big clumps of rocks measuring anywhere from four to six inches. The slope of the mountain had a portion that was a bit smoother and easier to access, and then the upper region where I feel he may have gone was far more rugged and vertical.

tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 29, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
LAhiker, I agree about the clear glass being awareness...also, looking through the window means insight into "another space","outside dimension, world", etc. But the glass is also an obstacle, as what's behind the glass is unreachable, miles and time separating the dreamer from what they see.

The dream book I mentioned says that "seeing a tree through the window" in a dream means: "seeing the world through the eyes of another person"--I haven't noticed this part right away, only when I moved onto "window" meaning.
tylerhenry

Social climber
Hanford
Aug 29, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
Also, I just want to add this -- in the dream of Matt, he made it very clear that he felt he was NOT equipped to do a huge peak, and that he would have had a partner if he intended to do something drastic. Even in the area that I saw in the visions, it wouldn't have been incredibly difficult to get where he went. It's not like he got to the top of a peak or anything like that, it appears as though something happened while he was working on either the lower portion of a mountain, trail etc. He said he had done it countless times (referring to the difficulty of the area he was in) and felt it wasn't of any concern because it wasn't dangerous.

I personally wouldn't be looking high, I'd be looking lower. The bottom and mid-section of smaller mountains as opposed to high peaks. He simply made it clear that he would have had a partner if he intended to do a trail or peak of higher difficulty.

This was something at least intermediate in difficulty that wouldn't have been incredibly hard for him -- a climb or movement that would have been relatively easy that very well may have just gone wrong.
Cas0673

climber
Aug 29, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Mammoth_Mountain.jpg


I just came across this pic. It has some fencing with posts and wire.
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