Children Tooled by Rangers in YNP

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ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber

Reno, Nevada

Jul 24, 2013 - 05:39pm PT

Dale Bard did the jump off the top of the shuttle into the river on Sentinel Bridge - don't know about Jim Wilson.

Hell, the way I heard it EVERYONE was doing laps. You mean to tell me it was one man? If so, leave it up to Dale, ha ha.

Years ago "lobo jr" sat in the bushes taking digital photos of everyone jumping off the bridge. Just as we were leaving he jumped out from his hiding and lined everyone up by ID'ing them on the view screen. He must have been at it for hours because he gathered about 20 people and gave them all tickets for jumping.

He didn't have a pic of me.

I don't know why they just don't post a NO JUMPING sign? It seems like sometimes its enforced and other times not.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Jul 24, 2013 - 05:45pm PT

I don't know why they just don't post a NO JUMPING sign? It seems like sometimes its enforced and other times not.

No sh#t eh? Because they wouldn't have as many people to f*#k with if they put a sign up?

I've only jumped off of it a few hundred times since 76. I'm sure there are more important things for them to do,.......

like guard the railings at the top of waterfalls......

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Jul 24, 2013 - 05:47pm PT

I don't know why they just don't post a NO JUMPING sign?

I'd want to have the first jump after they put that up..

I might even steal the sign.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Jul 24, 2013 - 05:47pm PT

Did someone say rope swing? We saw an awesome rope swing at the lake we stayed at this summer, I was afraid to let my boy try it. Told him that was the sort of thing to do when dad is not watching.

Sounds like those kids learned a valuable lesson at the bridge, lesson is, LE can be pricks

ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber

Reno, Nevada

Jul 24, 2013 - 06:42pm PT

I asked a ranger once why it was illegal to jump off the bridge and he said: "Because it stirs up the silt on the bottom and kills the fish".

SERIOUSLY!!!

Magic Ed

Trad climber

Nuevo Leon, Mexico

Jul 24, 2013 - 06:52pm PT

This post pretty much illustrates why, in 46 years of climbing, I've only been to the Valley once and vowed never to return.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Jul 24, 2013 - 07:07pm PT

Someone should put up their own 'No jumping. You're going to either die or get tooled.' sign.

Put a wildlife cam on a nearby tree and see what happens.

Tool the tools.

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber

SF, CA

Jul 24, 2013 - 07:07pm PT

Interesting info, klaus! Who woulda ever guessed...

from p 6 of the compendium link posted upthread:

• Possession of a glass container within 50 feet of any riverbank, lakeshore, on the water, or in a vessel is prohibited.
36 CFR § 1.5(a)(2); 36 CFR § 1.5(f)
This restriction is for the protection of natural and cultural resources and public safety.

• Jumping or diving from any bridge or from O’Shaughnessy Dam is prohibited.
36 CFR § 1.5(a)(1); 36 CFR § 1.5(f)
This activity has resulted in severe injuries to persons who have jumped from bridges into shallow water.
Also, people jumping from bridges cause increased water turbidity and shock waves, both of which have a detrimental effect on fish and other components of aquatic ecosystems.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Jul 24, 2013 - 07:14pm PT

Possession of a glass container within 50 feet of any riverbank, lakeshore, on the water, or in a
vessel is prohibited.
36 CFR § 1.5(a)(2); 36 CFR § 1.5(f)

So...you could be cited for wearing a watch? A watch contains many parts and has glass. An iPhone? It contains things and has glass. What about a high end thermos? They have glass inside them.

aspendougy

Trad climber

Los Angeles, CA

Jul 24, 2013 - 07:33pm PT

Rangers should not make up laws as they go along. If they say that something is illegal, and there is no law on the books to that effect, they need to be disciplined for that. It sets a poor example for kids when the rangers are caught lying.

There is nothing inherently dangerous about jumping from a bridge here and there, it depends upon the speed of the water, the height of the bridge, the landscape on the bottom of the river, as well as the swimming ability of the person jumping.

It is also a sign of the times. I grew up in the 1950's. My parents were busy working, and so I was able to take many more risks that children are allowed to take these days.

saa

climber

Bleau, cham, pink granite coast

Jul 24, 2013 - 07:40pm PT

Having been on both sides of the equation, i d like to upgrade the
general mood with humourous ranger stories. If possible.

2-3 months in yos a year, err , i mean " precisely" 30 days in camp 4,
mixed with being a ranger (rms, not leo) brings some cute moments.
( i m also part of the tom bridge circus show , detail for a n above poster. )

1
One night at LYV Station a leo shows up. Proceeds to downtalk his new boss
at Ynp, perhaps the dark lord, perhaps another high up the ynp leo ladder.
He Then
threatens the audience at the camp fire: if any of this gets out,
I ll find you." The type of man that inspires trust. Then,
drunk enough, he proceeds to talk about female parts
so that
the women might talk about eros.
He then moves to what attracts women to a man , obviously
power like his ow n should be attractive.

Ooooops, all the potential targets are C4.
Yosar C 4, VIP C4, but C4 all the same. Hardcore,
wild, ski ny, suntanned, ... well: C4 women.
Gun, power, big mouth, cop badge wońt get any of us to
his bed.

2
Female leo. High country. A SAR starts, the chopper flies over the valley
in early light. She s been unreachable since evening.
Madame needs her beauty sleep. Following week: A flood takes
place while she s away. Hikers beg for refuge, i let them in the station for
the night. She later gives me hell for not contacting yosar with the problem.
The closest
Radio was one mile away, over 2 raging flooding streams. I should have reached
that? I m not inclined to drown so i can ask permission for endangered
hikers to sleep inside the ranger station.

Where was she when yosar tried to reach her so she d do her job?

3
A valley leo works overtime days in days out. His boss should give him some
time off. One day he scouts Camp 4 parking lot. I hug him in front of his
Uniformed colleagues. Embarrassing. A C4 dirtbag woman hugs you. Bizarrrrrrrr
He goes back to working more overtime. Because in winter, he does not
chase yos climbing bums. He is a surfing bum in San Diego. Doh!

dirtbag

climber

Jul 24, 2013 - 07:41pm PT

Tool the kids young and often, I say. Put the little fookers in their place.

climber

Jul 24, 2013 - 07:47pm PT

Report 'em.

I generally really dislike LEOs.

Got pulled over the other day 1/2 block from my house for speeding, downhill no gas/no breaks, just coasting speed. Officer approaches, one hand on his gun and yells 'Stay in the car, put your hands on the steering wheel...Need to see your DL, Reg, and Ins...Do not make any sudden moves...'

In a total as#@&%e tone.... WTF? Did he not already know I live right around the corner, have paid taxes there for 8 years, have zero anything on my record...? I reported him but it gave me little satisfaction and no relief from the fine.

edit: And why, if LEO in YNP inhabit this forum, do they not comment/interact openly with us on these topics. Is the job of climber/Ranger relations the sole responsibility of the climbing ranger de jour? Nevermind, I'll answer it myself...a) they're not allowed because they're not authorized to comment publically on anything relating to their jobs/the park, or b) they're not allowed to because very few/one are/is smart enough to handle the dialog, or c)they don't care what we think, or d)all of the above.

Bad Climber

climber

Jul 24, 2013 - 07:57pm PT

Dang, I'm hatin' national parks more every day....

BAd

Rankin

Social climber

Greensboro, North Carolina

Jul 24, 2013 - 08:26pm PT

Because they carry guns, and are given some discretion as to when the use of force is lawful, the police should be held to the highest standard of professional responsibility. They should also be paid more, a lot more. This would help to create a better pool of applicants, and would hopefully lead to happier officers. Regardless, there should be a zero tolerance policy for excessive use of force or bullying of lawful patrons in Yosemite.

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Jul 24, 2013 - 08:31pm PT

How much more do you want to pay them, Rankin?

Here in Redlands, Sergeants make $200,000. Lieutenants in the RPD make $375,000. The Chief is paid more than President Obama.

What's a Sergeant in the U.S. Army make? How about an Army Lieutenant?

dee ee

Mountain climber

citizen of planet Earth

Jul 24, 2013 - 08:35pm PT

Tad, I'm going with Jim as the first to do the big launch. Matt and I stopped the bus. Jim stepped up on the railing and launched without hesitation.

Some want to claim every first in spite of those unknown daredevils who may have gone first.

In an honest effort to clear up this big controversy I will post the date, taken from my book. It was between Aug. 24-30, 1974.

The reason this came up was due to an e-mail (that I got this week)regarding the Nabisco Wall thread wherein I responded that Jim and I followed a mega-psyched Matt Cox up the NW during the same period. It (the NW) was "the big thing" in the news.

Dale, do you remember?

I guess I forgot the original topic!!! Oh yeah "Tools being tools."

Rankin

Social climber

Greensboro, North Carolina

Jul 24, 2013 - 08:40pm PT

Chaz, evidently you're the authority on cop pay in California. I do know that an officer in the Greensboro City Police starts out making about $25k. Seems like that is probably closer to the mean of most states. Hard to imagine those figures you cite are real, or relevant to rangers in Yosemite. But whatevs. Either way, for the most part cops do a dangerous, and thankless job. The majority of cops killed in the line of duty are killed during routine traffic stops. Starting at $25k seems a bit low, don't you think?