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SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 14, 2013 - 12:32am PT

I'm not pushing any politics, or forcing anyone to do anything. I believe that it won't do a damn bit of good. You can't change anyones heart through laws. I am just saying that, IF there is a God (and i personally know there is, but that is beside the point) you better be damn sure that He is gonna take action. AND, if life begins at conception, and God had a plan for that life, and we snuffed it out, sooner or later God is gonna judge a nation that has snuffed out 60+ Million of his creation. just wait and see. In my opinion, it is way to late to do a damn thing about it. Say what you want about me. But, when the sh#t hits the fan, and it will, at least I had the balls to warn ya. You can't say that I didn't.

edit: i think the whole marriage thing (or whatever ya want to call it) between the Christian church and politics/the conservative right, is simply wrong. Not what JC was about. We (believers) should vote whatever our consciences dictate, but this whole dominionist (or whatever) thing is way bad.

I'm not trying to convince women to do anything. that is between them and God. if their conscience says its okay, thats their business. i will speak what the bible says about when life begins. they can make their own choice, but they will be held accountable for it. i would be remiss to not say anything. i rarely do. this is the first time in years.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 14, 2013 - 02:54am PT
31% of all conceptions end in miscarriage naturally

only 50 to 60% of all conceptions advance beyond 20 weeks of gestation

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
Science 28 June 2013:
Vol. 340 no. 6140 pp. 1527-1528
DOI: 10.1126/science.1240937

The Global Prevalence of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women
K. M. Devries, J. Y. T. Mak, C. García-Moreno, M. Petzold, J. C. Child, G. Falder, S. Lim, L. J. Bacchus, R. E. Engell, L. Rosenfeld, C. Pallitto, T. Vos, N. Abrahams, C. H. Watts

Violence against women is a phenomenon that persists in all countries (1). Since the 1993 World Conference on Human Rights and the Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women, the international community has acknowledged that violence against women is an important public health, social policy, and human rights concern. However, documenting the magnitude of violence against women and producing reliable comparative data to guide policy and monitor progress has been difficult.

The results show that globally, in 2010, 30.0% [95% confidence interval (CI) 27.8 to 32.2%] of women aged 15 and over have experienced, during their lifetime, physical and/or sexual intimate partner violence. There is considerable regional variation in the prevalence of physical and/or sexual partner violence (see the graph).


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Nov 11, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
pretty odd that folks want to legislate a woman's right to choose whether or not she produces a new life whilst decrying the suggestion of limiting the immediacy of one's access to potentially life-terminating tools of violence.

now as for the male's legal impotency to determine whether or not a new life is created, don't get me started.
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