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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Great Vegasclimber... way to keep it on topic... offering exactly no new information...
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Go smoke a bowl, Wes.
I'm the nicest person on ST, so it's ok if I tell you to chill out and let this thread get back on topic.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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So
How bout them Mets?
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Happy to add new info if you like, "Dr."
Right now the fire is sitting at just under 20,000 acres, making it the largest wildfire in Southern Nevada history (as far as they have been keeping records at any rate.)
The fire is continuing to advance and is within 1/4 mile of the Kyle Canyon "Rainbow" housing subdivision, but is being held at that point thanks to several back burns and aerial attack. Spot and crown fires are continuing to be an issue.
The active, eastern edge of the fire has moved into several lower-fuel areas which is providing the divisions with opportunities to get a handle on it. Here is a map of the burn area for you. That good enough?
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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And still only 15% contained. 100+ temps. Brutal!
(also, nice post deletes.)
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jul 10, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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Morning update for Carpenter One.
Yesterday, the fire jumped the Kyle Canyon Road, and one commercial structure was reported as destroyed. From what I can tell on the map, the only 2 structures in that area were the police substation and a horse corral. Information this morning has put the total number of burned structures at 6, in the Prospect Ranch area. The fire, combined with down canyon winds, made a fast eastern push last night that increased the size to over 25,000 acres.
It's hard to tell what the situation is at the moment, as the news reports are spotty and often inaccurate as usual. Prospect Ranch is at the extreme east end of the Charleston arm of the fire, and I would think it much more likely that it was Harris Springs Ranch that burned, as it was pretty much surrounded last night. Time will tell.
Winds shifted overnight from SE to NE, which has brought super heavy smoke and ash into the valley. This may help the Rainbow housing area, but hurt the southern arm of the fire, which is burning close to the highway that connect Vegas and Pahrump.
They haven't been updating the Inciweb site that well, but the IC team is holding a news conference tonight and we should get more information then.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Jul 10, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
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Thanks for the update, Vegasclimber.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 10, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
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I fought a fire in Utah back in 1994 when temperatures reached 102F. Crews from back east were brought in to help. Turns out most of them had never been 1000 feet above sea level... the fire was at 6500+ feet. They were used to humidity... there was none. The IC had a hell of a time trying to figure out what to do with them.
With 1000+ people, 25,000+ acres, and 100+F temps, keeping the rest of us informed is not their top priority.
I hiked that area pretty extensively when I lived down there with an injured finger. It is brutal.
Those folks are well south of the seventh ring of hell.
(According to inciweb, Bison is now bigger... but obviously that could be due to the ability to update the information.)
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Jul 10, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
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Google the "geomac viewer" which shows fire perimeters. It's a neat tool if you're into fires. Sorry no link, maybe someone can post it.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 10, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
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I usually avoid anything with MAC in the title (no offense to CMac), but the GeoMAC viewer is cool. Way nicer to see the satellite imagery as the backdrop.
Looks like Carpenter I hasn't yet hit the name brand Charleston spurt crags... has it?
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jul 11, 2013 - 12:09am PT
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Most of the primary sport areas are up Trail Canyon, which is a mile or two north of the fire line on the other side of the housing developments. The other main area is Robbers Roost which is a lot further away.
Unfortunately the fire is running along the top ridges near Mt Wilson...if the wind pushes from the west it does have a chance of getting into the Red Rock canyon system. I could see live flames on the ridge line tonight.
Trying to wrangle myself into a volunteer position this weekend, so I am hoping to be able to get some info from the IC crew. I fought a fire in Trout Canyon in 2000? I think, that they really thought was going to do what this one did.. Just got a lucky break on the winds for 2 days and got a decent line in.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Jul 11, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
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Is that Calico Basin in the foreground?
Wow...what a shame.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jul 11, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
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Yeah, I was afraid that was going to happen. No access back in there either. Dammit.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jul 11, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
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AS of last night, all the trail closures were the ones that start on Charleston anyways, it's a bit on non news. Bristlecone Trail, Griffith Peak, North and South Loop and Cathedral trails are closed. But you can't access the trail heads anyways.
The trail into (edited)Lovell Canyon has been destroyed, and it was only a few years old. Awesome hike in through pinyon and oak, to a wide meadow and springs. The news is already playing the "It will never recover" line.
Unfortunately that might just be the case. I seriously doubt they will do much rehab or replanting, based on what I have seen on other desert fires in the past. I hope I'm wrong.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jul 11, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
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Ugh! Report I got recently was they had opened the loop, but the trails are closed. Either way, this sucks.
The rain and the lower temps and the humidity are causing the fire to lay down a bit, give em hell boys and gals! They should be able to make some serious inroads today if the winds stay down, and we get more rain and not much lightning.
Here is the latest map release from the incident:
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jul 12, 2013 - 12:27am PT
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Light to heavy rain, overcast conditions and high humidity gave the crews today a much needed chance to attack the fire directly, resulting in a containment jump to 43%. Mop up operations have begun in some areas of the fire. The main heat source concern is in the far eastern edge of the fire along Kyle Canyon Road.
I attended a public meeting with the IC team tonight, and they said that one of the primary points right now is getting in to the eastern edge of the fire that is west of Red Rock Canyon. They have about 6 miles of line to cut in heavy timbered, high fuel areas. If the weather holds for another few days as the met report says it will, there is a very good chance they will be able to create that line. A helipad is being created to allow them to lift teams into this area to begin work, hopefully tomorrow.
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redrocker
climber
NV
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Jul 12, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
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Vegasclimber wrote:
The trail into Fletcher Canyon has been destroyed, and it was only a few years old. Awesome hike in through pinyon and oak, to a wide meadow and springs. The news is already playing the "It will never recover" line.
Hey VC,
The only Fletcher Canyon/Fletcher Trail I'm aware of is on the north side of SR-157 at least a couple miles west of where I understand the fire jumped the road.
I can't find any info reporting fire reaching Fletcher.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jul 12, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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Hi Red,
The hiking trail that I am referring to is one that is North of the highway that goes to Pahrump. Perhaps I have the name wrong. I will see if I can find the burn map that showed that area again, it showed that the fire had burned up to the edge of the ranch that is out there.
Edit to add, I did indeed have the wrong name, I meant Lovell Canyon. Original post has been edited for clarity.
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